Should we look at Subcategories?


#1

As the site grows, the number of top-level categories will grow. Maybe it’s time to start putting them into sub-categories? With the existing categories I’m thinking a hierarchy like this:

  • Desktop
    • Silverblue
    • Apps & Games
  • Servers and Containers
    • Fedora CoreOS
    • Fedora Server
    • Containers
  • Internet of Things
  • Programming
    • Go
  • Community (except, I don’t like this since the rest is community too. other name?)
    • Fedora Friends
    • CommOps
    • Site Feedback

I think this will be less overwhelming, yet also allow us to keep conversations organized. What do you think?


#2

Sounds good to me if the forum software supports it.


#3

It does indeed, to a depth of two levels.


#4

I’m +1 for the structure except for the containers part. It implies that containers are for servers only so let’s just leave it a top category as it’s mostly used for the SIG. Alternatively, we could put all the SIG pages (Go SIG asked for their own category but aren’t using it yet, CommOps asked for a category, Containers SIG has theirs…), Fedora Friends, CommOps, Site Feedback under its top category called “Social” or “People”. So it’d be:

  • Desktop
    • Silverblue
    • Apps & Games
  • Server
    • Fedora CoreOS
    • Fedora Server
  • Internet of Things
  • Social
    • Fedora Friends
    • SIGs
      • CommOps
      • Containers
      • Go
    • Site Feedback

Thoughts?


#5

Is Fedora active in Internet of Things? I know about the Robotics spin but I hadn’t heard of IoT on Fedora.


#6

It’s not a huge group but it’s picking up and if you’re interested in it:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Fedora_IoT


#7

I am not fond of the term “social” here. That implies more like a contributor coffee meeting than a SIG to me. What if we moved Fedora Friends out and made it something like “Project”

ala

  • Social
    • Fedora Friends
  • Fedora Project
    • Working Groups and SIGs
      • CommOps
      • Containers
      • Go
  • Site Feedback

#8

Not opposed to that, either - we should probably just leave things as they are for now and then if 3-5 more categories come along, have a quick look at how to structure it according to what kind of categories were added.


#9

Only two levels of nesting, AIUI.

We could go with:

  • Desktop
    • Silverblue
    • Apps & Games
  • Server
    • Fedora CoreOS
    • Fedora Server
  • Internet of Things
  • Working Groups & SIGs
    • CommOps
    • Containers
    • Go
  • Fedora Friends
  • Site Feedback

… but that kind of scopes Containers and Go both to talking about group activities around those things rather than inviting discussion on those things in Fedora in general


#10

This is what I was thinking.

Fair. I don’t know how much general technical conversation we are going to get versus other general technical forums, such as stackoverflow. That said, perhaps we could do something like:

  • Desktop - A discussion of desktop oriented Fedora Builds [spins, etc could get added here if desired over time]
    • Silverblue
    • Apps & Games
  • Server and Cloud - A discussion of server and cloud oriented Fedora Builds
    • Fedora CoreOS
    • Fedora Server
  • Technology - How do you use, deploy and organize various tech stacks in and for Fedora
    • Internet of Things
    • Containers
    • Go
  • Project Conversations - Conversations about the Fedora Project and how it works
    • CommOps
  • Fedora Friends - We’re serious about the Friends Foundation :slight_smile:
  • Site Feedback - Help us make these categories better

I’ve added rough descriptions of the levels that make the ideas clearer, I hope. Some definitely need some work.


#11

Assuming discourse allows moving threads between (sub)categories, how about a “General” or “Miscellaneous” category to invite any discussion that a user doesn’t feel fits in an existing (sub)category? For example, let’s say a user starts a thread in “General” about Go libraries in Fedora. Another user could reply that it would be great to discuss that with the Go SIG and change the category appropriately.

That may not be as appealing if changing categories is an admin-only thing.


#12

Since this site is somewhat inspired by Stack Exchange, it puts a lot of power in the hands of high-rep users. Specifically, users with “trust level 3” can recategorize posts.


#13

Sooooooo… I added Rust and RPM Packaging and we have a request to add Magazine. So I think we should do this sooner rather than later.

Since it’s going to be an Edition, I’d like to get IoT next to Server rather than in Technology. Can you (@bex, or anyone) think of something better than just calling that top level “Server, Cloud, and IoT”? I mean, we can go “desktop” and “not-desktop”. :slight_smile:


#14

What are the Editions now? Workstation, Server and Cloud? I’d say each edition gets its own category, then a category for Spins with a subcategory for each spin.


#15

Current editions are: Workstation, Server, and Atomic Host. In F30, they will be Workstation, Cloud/Server, CoreOS, and IoT. I expect in F31 or F32, they will be Silverblue, CoreOS, and IoT (and Server may stop being an edition but still be made).


#16

Okay, @sanja and I implemented this. It apparently broke links because now there’s an extra layer in URLs. Well, oops. But as we start getting more categories, we kind of need it, so better now than later.


#17

Categories could be good, as long as you can have an overview of all recent posts. Since the number of active users is small, I can still read everything new as I have my morning tee.

I would also look at separate languages. Some people expecting a specific language could check the forum, and get discouraged seeing posts in other languages. I think this could improve user experience.


#18

Yeah, the categories feature works like you think it should.

As for multiple languages, I’m not sure what the best approach might be. There’s a discussion on the meta discourse site.