Will F41 support the Mate-Compiz spin?

Question in the title.

Also, will X11 support be dropped only for the GNOME version?

X11 will only be dropped for KDE and then GNOME. X11 will still be installable for GNOME, not currently for KDE.

I wouldnt expect new support for legacy desktop technologies :slight_smile:

If you want a museum distro, there are maaany others available. Not judging, but mate compiz is simply not modern tech.

GNOME and KDE can do most if not all of the effects, on Wayland.

Added compiz, mate, x11, x11-wayland-transition

No it is not and it never was. It just was a continuation of Gnome 2 when they changed to Gnome 3. A lot of users where not ready to change the desktop into what it is today. They wanted a traditional “Start Menu” setup.

I think it is not just about the effects. It is about a infrastructure where worked a long time on x-11 basis very well, also for user where have been depending on Accessibility . As a lot of Developers get focused on Wayland sooner or later x11 will be abandoned.

As long as the basic setup will still work on x11, Fedora will deliver this desktops with the kick-start setup we do have. I was also very long a defender of the Mate desktop. Then I started install the workstation and installed beside the Mate desktop. This way I could use my machine as always, but also had the opportunity to learn Gnome as it is today. Now i just use Gnome 4.6!

To answer the question of the OP:

I would say, yes you still can use Mate-Compiz in F41.
If you want to be on track take in consideration also to watch in to Fedora rawhide. Probably you could help debugging if there come some issues up before releasing F41.

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You can see the proposed changes here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/41/ChangeSet

The gnome X11 change is explained here: Changes/WaylandOnlyGNOMEWorkstationMedia - Fedora Project Wiki

The gnome X11 packages are still going to be available and maintained by the Gnome SIG.

There’s no change for the Mate spin that I see and there are still nightlies being built so I’m fairly certain it’s still going to be around. Fedora nightly compose finder

Thanks

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True, Mate compiz is available and will likely stay available.

i would give GNOME a try too. There are a few extensions you need: app menu, dash-to-panel, window decorations. You can replace some apps if you prefer the others.

I also recommend following their blog:

They are working on Wayland support for their Apps.

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I propose to let gnome as it is first. To see the difference. As better as you learn to work without a lot of extensions as easier the upgrade process will be in future.

An other point about older Hardware. I do have a old laptop with an I5 processor. It is quite slow even if I did put an SSD. So if you are on slow hardware, working with gnome 4.6 can be very ugly, at least if you are used to mate where is much more responsive on older hardware.

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This is really strange. I suppose the usage of GPU acceleration, caching, multithreading improves performance on modern hardware and impairs on older hardware.

Cinnamon runs very well on old hardware too.

Even though in theory Wayland should be way lighter than XOrg.

Luckily Mate, LXQt, XFCE and Cinnamon are all working on Wayland support. But this will take a long time, dont forget they all rely on the monolithic XOrg for a lot.

It would appear the work to integrate with Wayland has been finished - it may just not be in release yet: MATE -Wayland.

Hopefully soon this will be mainlined, I had to step away from MATE because of the lack of Wayland support. I do prefer that Gnome 2.x feeling however.

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If you want to test:
Test Results:Fedora 41 Rawhide 20240711.n.0 Summary - Fedora Project Wiki

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Very cool! Have you tried GNOME Classic?

It’s worth mentioning that the same effect can be obtained also by activating the system extensions on standard GNOME, which come preinstalled with Fedora Workstation (the Extensions app needs to be installed though). The only differences I have noticed are the Notifications menu, which is on the right instead of centered, and the color of the top and bottom bars (gray instead of black).

Regarding performance, while certainly not on par with Mate, I think GNOME performs nevertheless well enough on older hardware. I have installed Fedora Workstation for testing purposes on an old laptop which was lying around (Intel Core 2 Duo 2GHz, 4GB RAM DDR3, SSD), and it works decently for casual browsing and text editing, working with spreasheets. And that is really low spec.

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