Unusual Errors and Behavior

I will start from the beginning. This is the general user version Fedora Linux 42 (Workstation Edition). At first, a few weeks ago I began to randomly receive errors saying that there was not enough disc space (despite having around 5 GB ) and the system would show me using MORE space than is available on the drive.

At the time, a discord linux help service thought that it might be sym links and hard links and I agreed because I had been modding skyrim.

I cleared some space just to make sure and after a reboot, things temporarily went back to normal. I have since been having to record log files because new and strange issues keep occurring.

First, the same issue happened despite me having around 14 GB of space at the time. It was annoying, but I cleared more space. Only for the same issue to happen again later despite having nearly 20 GB.

Things seemed wrong, so I began running malware scans using Clam (which the fedora version seems to be out of date as there are multiple services that do not work for it). Some malware was found, but none of it was ā€œrecentā€ in any manner and seemed inactive.

The discord server then advised me to try BTRFS scrub and balance. Scrub found no issues but had strange display errors. It said ā€œinterruptedā€ while the scan was still ongoing and when refreshed, continued to show the scan. When finished, it also showed ā€œinterruptedā€ until I refreshed the information.

I left balance running overnight but stopped it after finding that it was still running upon resuming and had written almost 500 GB to disc according to the system monitor app.

It has been a few days since then, but strange stuff started happening again. The computer would turn on the monitor without input and today exited full screen of an app without prompt.

I do not know how to show log files here, so I can only provide the google drive link for files.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Jh3MUTug4wbqZuU3INKcyxT-7wDcY2GI?usp=sharing

Unfortunately, this is the best I can do without input. Further information includes that when it said that no disc space was available, the computer often would not be able to run most apps or save any files. As well as that a discord commenter concluded that it might be a wayward flatpak as quote,

ā€œi reckon a badly behaving flatpak package has taken up all the inodes.
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[9:08 AM]Friday, May 15, 2026 at 9:08 AM
You would have to go through all the directories for flatpak and see which one has the most files. That could be your culprit.ā€

I have installed some things via command line when necessary.

Post the output from lsblk -f as pre-formatted text. Let’s just see how much disk space you actually have free.

You might also want to post the output from inxi -Fzxx as pre-formatted text.

What was the malware that was found and in what location or infecting what files?

The logs don’t show the problem, merely routine desktop noise plus one game crash, nothing about disk space, inodes or the filesystem. Apparently the logs are captured between incidents, not much to see.

What’s the filesystem? If it says ext4, the ā€œa flatpak ate all the inodesā€ theory is genuinely plausible, that’s a textbook ext4 failure (fixed inode table, fills up while space looks free). If it says btrfs (usually the standard when installing), that theory doesn’t apply and it’s likely metadata exhaustion instead. The scrub/balance you were told to run only works on btrfs anyway.

To check what fs:

findmnt -no FSTYPE /

Some basic checks:

df -h /
df -i /
du -sh /var/lib/systemd/coredump /var/spool/abrt 2>/dev/null
journalctl --disk-usage

When btrfs also: sudo btrfs filesystem usage /

Run this one when the no-space error happens:

df -h / /tmp /dev/shm
sudo lsof +L1

Most likely its caused by (since a reboot temporarily fixes it), either something holding deleted files open (lsof +L1 catches this) or filling RAM-backed /tmp. Repeated game crashes dumping multi-GB core files is also a strong suspect for example.

But let’s first see what the output brings on the table :wink:

I’ll give the same response to both people based on instructions given.

lsblk -f

$ lsblk -f
NAME FSTYPE FSVER LABEL  UUID                                 FSAVAIL FSUSE% MOUNTPOINTS
sda                                                                          
ā”œā”€sda1
│    vfat   FAT32        17F4-36BF                             579.5M     3% /boot/efi
ā”œā”€sda2
│    ext4   1.0          5ddf459f-ca07-4412-bfbd-42a1a5d3578c    506M    41% /boot
└─sda3
     btrfs        fedora fb0c8005-d1b2-4ad6-9e49-50a00c311557    8.6G    96% /home
                                                                             /
sdb                                                                          
└─sdb1
     ntfs                E21A24731A2446BF                       26.3G    77% /run/media/nathaniel/E21A24731A2446BF
sdc                                                                          
└─sdc1
     ntfs                383A2DCF3A2D8B48                        3.6G    94% /run/media/nathaniel/383A2DCF3A2D8B48
sr0                                                                          
zram0
     swap   1     zram0  341a9773-d37b-4a2d-ab18-742fe4a68a37                [SWAP]

inxi -Fzxx
bash: inxi: command not found…
Install package ā€˜inxi’ to provide command ā€˜inxi’? [N/y]

installing that to run again

System:
  Kernel: 6.19.14-100.fc42.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 15.2.1
  Desktop: GNOME v: 48.8 tk: GTK v: 3.24.52 wm: gnome-shell dm: GDM
    Distro: Fedora Linux 42 (Workstation Edition)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 USDT
    v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 3
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 18E5 serial: <superuser required>
    part-nu: K9Z32UC#ABA Firmware: UEFI vendor: Hewlett-Packard v: L01 v02.78
    date: 02/20/2020
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: Intel Core i7-4790S bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    arch: Haswell rev: 3 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 1024 KiB L3: 8 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2600 min/max: 800/4000 cores: 1: 2600 2: 2600 3: 2600
    4: 2600 5: 2600 6: 2600 7: 2600 8: 2600 bogomips: 51084
  Flags-basic: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 ports:
    active: VGA-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0
    chip-ID: 8086:0412
  Display: wayland server: X.Org v: 24.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.11
    compositor: gnome-shell driver: dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0
    screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1024x768 s-dpi: 96
  Monitor-1: VGA-1 res: 1024x768 hz: 60 size: N/A
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: intel mesa v: 25.1.9 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2
    direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2)
    device-ID: 8086:0412
  API: EGL Message: EGL data requires eglinfo. Check --recommends.
  Info: Tools: api: glxinfo x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0
    chip-ID: 8086:0c0c
  Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
    chip-ID: 8086:8c20
  API: ALSA v: k6.19.14-100.fc42.x86_64 status: kernel-api
  Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off
  Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.4.11 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
    status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
    4: pw-jack type: plugin
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: e1000e
    v: kernel port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:153a
  IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Wireless 7260 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie:
    speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:08b1
  IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-1: pvpnksintrf0 state: unknown speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-2: tun0 state: unknown speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full mac: N/A
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 414.04 GiB used: 372.61 GiB (90.0%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda model: SSD 256GB size: 238.47 GiB speed: 6.0 Gb/s
    serial: <filter>
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: SanDisk model: Ultra size: 116.69 GiB type: USB
    rev: 3.0 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 serial: <filter>
  ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Generic model: Flash Disk size: 58.88 GiB type: USB
    rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 serial: <filter>
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 236.89 GiB used: 226.55 GiB (95.6%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3
  ID-2: /boot size: 973.4 MiB used: 400.2 MiB (41.1%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda2
  ID-3: /boot/efi size: 598.8 MiB used: 19.3 MiB (3.2%) fs: vfat
    dev: /dev/sda1
  ID-4: /home size: 236.89 GiB used: 226.55 GiB (95.6%) fs: btrfs
    dev: /dev/sda3
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 7.63 GiB used: 2.88 GiB (37.7%) priority: 100
    dev: /dev/zram0
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Info:
  Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.63 GiB used: 4.75 GiB (62.2%)
  Processes: 434 Power: uptime: 7d 15h 19m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 257
    target: graphical (5) default: graphical
  Packages: pm: rpm pkgs: N/A note: see --rpm pm: flatpak pkgs: 115
    Compilers: N/A Shell: Bash v: 5.2.37 running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.40

Malware:


Scanned: 46053 files, 3536 directories
Threats found: 3

  • Win.Malware.Aotera-10059964-0
  • Win.Malware.Aotera-10059964-0
  • Win.Malware.Aotera-10059964-0

Full Output:

Scanned: 203254 files, 13670 directories
Threats found: 14

  • Win.Trojan.Agent-6415879-0
  • Win.Trojan.Agent-6415879-0
  • Win.Malware.Bulz-9916789-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Dropper.QuasarRAT-9998126-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0

The locations were basically in downloaded files and on a USB stick that I use to transfer files.

What is the filesystem? I’m not entirely sure since Fedora automated the process. Discs show it as: 1 partition fat32, 1 partition ext4 and 1 partition btrfs with btrfs being the actual drive and the other two likely the boot information? I did not modify the partitions.

findmnt -no FSTYPE /

returns ā€œbtrfsā€

basic checks

Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda3       237G  227G  8.6G  97% /
Filesystem     Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/sda3           0     0     0     - /
327M	/var/lib/systemd/coredump
0	/var/spool/abrt

Archived and active journals take up 3.9G in the file system.

can’t do the ā€œno space errorā€ atm because it happens at random.

I’ll give the same response to both people based on instructions given.

lsblk -f

$ lsblk -f
NAME FSTYPE FSVER LABEL UUID FSAVAIL FSUSE% MOUNTPOINTS
sda
ā”œā”€sda1
│ vfat FAT32 17F4-36BF 579.5M 3% /boot/efi
ā”œā”€sda2
│ ext4 1.0 5ddf459f-ca07-4412-bfbd-42a1a5d3578c 506M 41% /boot
└─sda3
btrfs fedora fb0c8005-d1b2-4ad6-9e49-50a00c311557 8.6G 96% /home
/
sdb
└─sdb1
ntfs E21A24731A2446BF 26.3G 77% /run/media/nathaniel/E21A24731A2446BF
sdc
└─sdc1
ntfs 383A2DCF3A2D8B48 3.6G 94% /run/media/nathaniel/383A2DCF3A2D8B48
sr0
zram0
swap 1 zram0 341a9773-d37b-4a2d-ab18-742fe4a68a37 [SWAP]

inxi -Fzxx
bash: inxi: command not found…
Install package ā€˜inxi’ to provide command ā€˜inxi’? [N/y]

installing that to run again

System:
Kernel: 6.19.14-100.fc42.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 15.2.1
Desktop: GNOME v: 48.8 tk: GTK v: 3.24.52 wm: gnome-shell dm: GDM
Distro: Fedora Linux 42 (Workstation Edition)
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 USDT
v: N/A serial: Chassis: type: 3
serial:
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 18E5 serial:
part-nu: K9Z32UC#ABA Firmware: UEFI vendor: Hewlett-Packard v: L01 v02.78
date: 02/20/2020
CPU:
Info: quad core model: Intel Core i7-4790S bits: 64 type: MT MCP
arch: Haswell rev: 3 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 1024 KiB L3: 8 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 2600 min/max: 800/4000 cores: 1: 2600 2: 2600 3: 2600
4: 2600 5: 2600 6: 2600 7: 2600 8: 2600 bogomips: 51084
Flags-basic: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 ports:
active: VGA-1 empty: DP-1, DP-2, HDMI-A-1, HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0
chip-ID: 8086:0412
Display: wayland server: X.Org v: 24.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.11
compositor: gnome-shell driver: dri: crocus gpu: i915 display-ID: :0
screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1024x768 s-dpi: 96
Monitor-1: VGA-1 res: 1024x768 hz: 60 size: N/A
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: intel mesa v: 25.1.9 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2
direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2)
device-ID: 8086:0412
API: EGL Message: EGL data requires eglinfo. Check --recommends.
Info: Tools: api: glxinfo x11: xdriinfo, xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0
chip-ID: 8086:0c0c
Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
chip-ID: 8086:8c20
API: ALSA v: k6.19.14-100.fc42.x86_64 status: kernel-api
Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off
Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.4.11 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
4: pw-jack type: plugin
Network:
Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: e1000e
v: kernel port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:153a
IF: eno1 state: down mac:
Device-2: Intel Wireless 7260 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie:
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:08b1
IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac:
IF-ID-1: pvpnksintrf0 state: unknown speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac:
IF-ID-2: tun0 state: unknown speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full mac: N/A
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 414.04 GiB used: 372.61 GiB (90.0%)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: SSD 256GB size: 238.47 GiB speed: 6.0 Gb/s
serial:
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: SanDisk model: Ultra size: 116.69 GiB type: USB
rev: 3.0 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 serial:
ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Generic model: Flash Disk size: 58.88 GiB type: USB
rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 serial:
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 236.89 GiB used: 226.55 GiB (95.6%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3
ID-2: /boot size: 973.4 MiB used: 400.2 MiB (41.1%) fs: ext4
dev: /dev/sda2
ID-3: /boot/efi size: 598.8 MiB used: 19.3 MiB (3.2%) fs: vfat
dev: /dev/sda1
ID-4: /home size: 236.89 GiB used: 226.55 GiB (95.6%) fs: btrfs
dev: /dev/sda3
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 7.63 GiB used: 2.88 GiB (37.7%) priority: 100
dev: /dev/zram0
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Info:
Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.63 GiB used: 4.75 GiB (62.2%)
Processes: 434 Power: uptime: 7d 15h 19m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 257
target: graphical (5) default: graphical
Packages: pm: rpm pkgs: N/A note: see --rpm pm: flatpak pkgs: 115
Compilers: N/A Shell: Bash v: 5.2.37 running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.40

Malware:


Scanned: 46053 files, 3536 directories
Threats found: 3

  • Win.Malware.Aotera-10059964-0
  • Win.Malware.Aotera-10059964-0
  • Win.Malware.Aotera-10059964-0

Full Output:

Scanned: 203254 files, 13670 directories
Threats found: 14

  • Win.Trojan.Agent-6415879-0
  • Win.Trojan.Agent-6415879-0
  • Win.Malware.Bulz-9916789-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Dropper.QuasarRAT-9998126-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Malware.Gamehack-9941811-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0
  • Win.Packed.Generic-9879024-0

The locations were basically in downloaded files and on a USB stick that I use to transfer files.

What is the filesystem? I’m not entirely sure since Fedora automated the process. Discs show it as: 1 partition fat32, 1 partition ext4 and 1 partition btrfs with btrfs being the actual drive and the other two likely the boot information? I did not modify the partitions.

findmnt -no FSTYPE /

returns ā€œbtrfsā€

basic checks

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda3 237G 227G 8.6G 97% /
Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
/dev/sda3 0 0 0 - /
327M /var/lib/systemd/coredump
0 /var/spool/abrt
Archived and active journals take up 3.9G in the file system.

can’t do the ā€œno space errorā€ atm because it happens at random.

@anothermindbomb Got a point with the malware question. QuasarRAT is a remote-access trojan, Gamehack and the packed droppers are common infection vectors. Although Windows files, Proton/Wine is not a security boundary so to speak. If any ran under Proton while gaming, they may have executed with access to your files. A RAT detection plus your monitor waking and apps leaving fullscreen on their own is at least consistent. Not proven, just to consider.

Based on your output, your disk seems genuinely almost full (227G used of 237G) and 8.6G free (97%) on a 256GB SSD… Apparently not a phantom error. Btrfs throws no space for metadata well before the disk truly hits zero, which is why it likely fails even with a few GB showing free. The ā€œmore space than the drive hasā€ illusion is because / and /home are the same device, so tools double-count it. At least, that’s what I make of it.

What you can do:

# 1. reclaim space
sudo journalctl --vacuum-size=500M
sudo rm -rf /var/lib/systemd/coredump/*
sudo btrfs subvolume list /

# 2. find what's eating 227G
du -h -x -d2 ~ 2>/dev/null | sort -h | tail -25

Next delete every file ClamAV flagged (don’t keep them), treat the transfer USB stick as infected. I suggest stop running unvetted Skyrim/game cheat executables under Proton to be safe, and rotate important passwords since a RAT was specifically named. Also consider this machine may be under-spec’d. The recurring calculator killed by signal 9 looks like memory pressure and not a separate fault.

I deleted what was in ClamUI’s quarantine. I will run a scan again tonight to make sure

I know what’s eating the space (or at least 90% of it), i’m a gamer and have a lot of media files for other apps with the two being split about equally.

results of reclaim space

Vacuuming done, freed 0B of archived journals from /run/log/journal.
Vacuuming done, freed 3.5G of archived journals from /var/log/journal/588d5346f7634c8fac3552729e5ab86d.
Vacuuming done, freed 0B of archived journals from /var/log/journal.
ID 256 gen 1777192 top level 5 path home
ID 257 gen 1777192 top level 5 path root
ID 258 gen 1755494 top level 257 path var/lib/machines

i’m also not sure what to do about rotating passwords. Those files were so old that if they were active, they’d have everything I’ve done on my computer.

Seems nothing besides your games and media takes up space, no phantom data. Doesn’t look like a btrfs issue or fault, but a too full SSD. Btrfs shows ā€œno spaceā€ usually before the disk truly hits zero (especially fragmentation from game install/uninstall for example, which may explain the errors. You freed about 3.8 GB, which isn’t enough.

Just some tips. Consider to move game libraries and media to your sandisk drive (sdb /, 77% full). For Steam add a second library folder and move games (no reinstall). Heroic: change install path and move titles. Media can live in full on the external. Target: get "/"to 80% or better to stop the random errors. Clearing to 95% just resets the countdown…

After reclaiming space, run a btrfs cleanup:

sudo btrfs balance start -dusage=50 -musage=50 /

can’t really do that for using the flash drive. it’s just a usb stick and the last time I tried that it ended up making a ton of headaches.

I’m more concerned with the malware bit because things fail when trying to use ClamUI 's instructions

I edited your post #4 above and added the preformatted text tags so the data is displayed as seen on-screen. Compare with post #5 to see the difference.

That is done by first pasting the text then highlight it and click the </> button on the text entry toolbar. It also can be done by entering ``` on the line immediately before the text and again on the line following the text.

umm, thank you. I am not sure how much practice I will get though

Hopefully you will not need it, but it is preferred that users paste text as preformatted so it is easier to read and structured as expected.

any advice on the malware? I’m using another variant of clam and it’s finding other stuff, but it kind of bugs me that firewalld seems to not exist and a bunch of recommended commands from clamui fail.

Finding other stuff is concerning. The original malware list was concerning.
Potentially the best solution would be to nuke the file system on that USB device, and do a new clean installation of fedora that wipes out the entire existing file system.

I think you also said you used that usb device to transfer files and since the malware was on that device it can be assumed that any other system it was attached to is likely also infected. Thus those other systems may be vectors for reinfection if file transfers continue.

Note that the recent flurry of kernel upgrades after 7.0.4 was spurred by some new malware exploits that became known and needed kernel upgrades to block those identified vulnerabilities.

ughh, terrific. I can’t access that device’s drive without booting it and that may explain why my previous 2 pc’s basically imploded their fans. And since it’s a ā€œlegacyā€ windows device, I can’t connect it to the internet either…