I think this is pretty interesting
- heated debate
- community stuff
- new stuff
- technical necessity
- oddly common problems
- hardware recommendations
‘Heated Debate’ tends to be short lived. I find Fedora a really positive and thoughtful community overall.
From my personal perspective (we’ve all got one 
) I see on the forums:
- Oddly common problems
- Uncommon problems that tend to teach me something
- Community and Project stuff
- Restrained debate
- New Stuff
- Hardware recommendations
Spelt NVIDIA!
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I’m surprised we, collectively, never wrote a Wiki page for Nvidia as we always end up giving the same advice.
I no longer have nvidia hardware installer so do not have the means to test anymore.
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There have been good wikis around, just not on Fedora’s Servers. Even if we tried to make some order with tags, it is still quite chaotic about this topics because of the diversity of different cards and the abundance of sources to install them.
However I think it is not really our problem. In a healthy community the users are writing the wikis about their experiences with GPU
and models they do have. The others without NVIDIA cards can not really give this support (as you already mentioned).
The problem you mentioned goes back to 22/23, when feedback from the community, first time got discussed as opt-out option. What you pointed out is just the over-left of the way how some “pseudo-members[1]” try to communicate with the rest of the busy community. And then there is also a big portion of “paranoia” included in this kind of topic/communication.
Self-proclaimed security experts who think they are super smart and are trying to establish themselves on Fedora’s infrastructure. However, they also behave more like submarines and show up when there is something to complain/point about.
What I do miss a bit in this community are, the proposers of solutions with source code of a solution, while the “you could/should do” proposals are always in the majority. Probably this has also a bit to do with the missing integration of mailing lists into this Discourse instance. The makers in general, are still most time inspiring them selves on such sources (git,mailing-lists), which makes discussion.fp.o more a “amazon wish-list” in kind of proposals, because the “wish-lists” focus more on personal interest than the community one.
Also the “Magical Experimental Fedora Badges Topic!” goes back to Dec. 2021 !
State 2025 the way as I see it would look like this (Dec. 05 2024 - Mar 05 2025 ) Top 10:
Signing up just to give their strong opinion about this kind of topics ↩︎
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Linux feels like it’s becoming Metal-a-Toby 
(from Aqua Teen Hunger Force)
A good base, then tossing on extra armor for some reason. That’s what I feel Immutable/Atomics/Flatpaks are doing, except the base armor isn’t fully worked out while everyone is focused on making the next layer that’ll likely be Rust-y
I’ve had issue with Wayland lagging mouse cursors 8+ years that everyone else seems fine with because the “non-viable” alternative is to maintain working Xorg. Fedora’s interested in axing it entirely which goes against providing a good desktop experience (still today), and GNOME and KDE are on-board with deprecating it too while Plasma 6 still has no session restore under Wayland.
Eh, I want to see and share cool stuff with Linux, but people are seemingly more into (imo) unproven abstraction.
But we do offer to help and its always the same set of check lists and remedies.
So our problem is we cannot say do what it says in the Wiki and come back here if you are still stuck.
Absolutely. I am not gonna judge anyone here as I am extremely thankful for the people that build Fedora in the background, but the communities are very split.
Imagine how it was the ask.f.o and discussion.f.o were separate!
@Espionage724 off topic so I am not gonna answer here, buf would have counterarguments
On what are you referring with “the communities” ? As I do see the statistics are from the Fedora-projects.
I know how it was, I was active present.
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Users and user-helpers and people building the thing
I see ‘ask Fedora’ as a lightning rod, drawing attention away from the developers, giving them time to work on development and not on answering common questions. We thus serve a valid purpose, and help out both users and developers quite a bit. There are also some incredibly skilled persons here who do have that deep knowledge that is always insightful.
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Probably I did not express my selves correctly. I refer more to users which show up with the “I have a problem”, you have to help me, attitude. Expecting that a community is here to serve and “I” just can consummate.
If this kind of users just would like to change their attitude a little bit, and also see once the necessity to contribute a bit more with solutions or part of solutions than just propose and demand. Sometimes researching just a bit more would help or reading a bit more carefully would make a change. Such behavior someteimes even comes from user who have higher privileges received exactly because of this attitude, being present and demand.
Unfortunately this kind of users are quite complicate, not understanding or better not willing to understand the point of view of others, which might have the understanding of a problem/perspective but not have the time and joy to explain everything always in to the last detail.
Btw, I do agree with the Block-quote of yours, we really have.
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Tbh I think it is problematic that you can’t donate to Fedora, with money.
Many just dont code and that is fine.
I would like to make a post on that
It is a good issue to discuss. But I do disagree. With community projects money will make it into a business. Take FF, they have had so much cash that they now must maintain that - which means they are becoming more like a business. Fedora recieves a lot of in kind help from engineers paid for by big businesses, and we have people donate their time. It is enough. Fedora works. Open Source is funded with devs from massive companies. Open Source productivity accounts for about 8 trillion $! a year. Having Fedora recieve money means business managers, accountants, it changes everything.
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When a nursery (kindergarten) had people pick up children late the parents appologised.
But after the nursery charged for late pickups the problem got a lot worse.
The people saw the fine as a fee that allowed them to extend the nursery hours.
Communities have to be careful when money is introduced.
You see poeple already demanding other do work.
Once money is involved that will get worse.
Hm yeah maybe. Still, many take donations and that is fine.
Fedora is funded by RedHat and maybe more. And if RH does not sponsor it, it gets done in the free time.
Projects, desktop environments etc are all good to donate to
It needs bigger projects because they can then fund “small” libraries like ffmpeg or way smaller ones, that nobody would think of donating to
Take a look at that small library 
It’s huge!
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