I don’t think you can add them together. If you can pick multiple options you should consider that the most restrictive opt out option is inclusive of the users who also selected the other opt-out options. Which means 23% support opt-out. I think it maybe seems a little high but within what I would guess without a poll.
Same note 62% support opt-in. 64% explicit ask and answer, which is obviously the only ethical choice and maximizes (ethical) participation.
Which would leave around 13% that do not support any telemetry at all. These are almost exactly the numbers I would expect. Though would kind of expect a higher number for explicit ask and answer. Wouldn’t expect much of anyone to be opposed to that. So many answers probably does cause confusion and blur the lines.
Yes, sorry, I added unnecessary confusion by saying it that way. I agree with your assessment. I was saying that even if you interpret it in a “generous” but logically unsound way, it’s still (significantly) lower than the 34% support for opt-out shown (currently) in the earlier poll.
Yes but I do think it’s an accurate representation of the actual population. People just aren’t quite as concerned as we (you and I) would like them to be. But they are definitely more concerned than the proposers think. The proposers would like us to believe most people just don’t care which I don’t think could be further from the truth.
It could be users being exposed to more information. I don’t think in general regular people have a very good grasp about the difference between the opt in and opt out options. Also when you add a third, explicit ask and answer they may reconsider opt out in a worse light.
I’m not completely confident opt-out acceptance isn’t in the 30’s percentages. Even if it is, I think that is huge indicator you SHOULDN’T do it. That is still a horrible acceptability ratio to go with.
I think if we had another poll something like “Do you support telemetry?”
yes
no
The results would be different.
But they are definitely more concerned than the proposers think. The proposers would like us to believe most people just don’t care which I don’t think could be further from the truth.
I think the best users are those who care, those are VIP users, e.g. those who participate in the discussion!
It’s probably also unethical to impose the things most don’t care about on those who do care! It should be about what users WANT, not what they don’t care about!
even if we accept the poll as hackery created by a non-data-scientist,[1], and
generally not very valid because of being self-selecting and whatever else, and
even if we believe that for whatever reason[2] the general Linux-using population is far less likely to care, and
if you will for the sake of discussion accept my unbacked assertion[3] that: if we explicitly limited possible data to even less than Ubuntu collects, fewer people would be opposed to the Ubuntu-style dialog[4], and
if the proposal explicitly explained adherence to GDPR and other regulations[5], and
if the proposal better allayed concerned about fingerprinting and so on…
… disapproval for opt-out in any form at at least 75% is pretty significant.
I think if you are starting from the hope that people won’t care if you do something, you already know you shouldn’t be doing it. Especially if it’s something that impacts the community.
Of respondents to the straw poll. Currently, the “opt out” option with the highest approval is at 23%. That means that 77% percent don’t approve.
Currently, explicit opt-in (that is, a dialog “no” by default and a next button) and explicit-choice (no default) are at 63% and 62% approval, respectively. That is, 37% (or 38%) do not approve of that possibility.
Okay. As I said, that is significantly lower than the new poll (77% against opt out), which is one reason I am suspicious of the results of older poll.
No matter how you cut it, those are horrible numbers to move forward with. Regardless of whether or not anyone says most people won’t care. Clearly, the long time supporters, the dedicated users that hold Fedora dear and helped make it what it is, don’t want anything to do with this and that should hold VERY HEAVY weight.
I am a long time supporter. I submitted bug reports and helped patches get implemented. I’ve got Fedora on 12 or 13 devices in my house. It runs Kodi for a TV in every room. It’s on my laptop and my NAS. I think it’s on my webserver VM (though it may be CentOS I’m not sure off the top of my head). I have believed in Fedora and what I thought it stood for most of my career. So yes, I’m angry and yes I agree.
Wouldn’t that be what a large portion of participators in this discussion would be? That has seemed to be a consensus in the discussion, even indicated by the proponents. I guess you could argue a bunch are just choosing to stay out of it. Doesn’t seem likely though. Many are likely too busy to have noticed or participated at this point. But your point about evidence is valid.
I’ve participated in LUGS and online communities and from my experience this whole concept is in stark contrast to what Linux itself has always been about. It’s extremely sad, though it’s not entirely unexpected as Linux has become more mainstream and accepted (even by Microsoft, what?).