Fedora 41 KDE Plasma spin: wayland broken after upgrade

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After installing Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-41-1.4.iso all was OK.

Discover said there was a system update, so I ran it.

When restarting the login page mouse movement was sluggish and after logging in mouse and keyboard were slow and kwin_wayland CPU was >95%

root@A10:~# dnf list kwin*
Updating and loading repositories:
Repositories loaded.
Installed packages
kwin.x86_64         6.3.3-1.fc41 <unknown>
kwin-common.x86_64  6.3.3-1.fc41 <unknown>
kwin-libs.x86_64    6.3.3-1.fc41 <unknown>
kwin-wayland.x86_64 6.3.3-1.fc41 <unknown>
kwin-x11.x86_64     6.3.3-1.fc41 updates

root@A10:~# dnf list kernel*
Updating and loading repositories:
Repositories loaded.
Installed packages
kernel.x86_64                        6.11.4-301.fc41 anaconda
kernel.x86_64                        6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>
kernel-core.x86_64                   6.11.4-301.fc41 anaconda
kernel-core.x86_64                   6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>
kernel-modules.x86_64                6.11.4-301.fc41 anaconda
kernel-modules.x86_64                6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>
kernel-modules-core.x86_64           6.11.4-301.fc41 anaconda
kernel-modules-core.x86_64           6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>
kernel-modules-extra.x86_64          6.11.4-301.fc41 anaconda
kernel-modules-extra.x86_64          6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>
kernel-tools.x86_64                  6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>
kernel-tools-libs.x86_64             6.13.6-200.fc41 <unknown>

I installed X11 and all works fine, but the login screen remains sluggish.

It seems that others have had similar problems, but I can’t see any clear-cut solutions.

Is there a solution for this?

Thanks

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Please post the output of `inxi -Fzxx’ so we know details of your hardware and software.

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Part of the issue may be due to updating with discover.
The results can be seen in the output of dnf which shows the initial install of the kernels (6.11.4) by anaconda but the updated kernel (6.13.6) is <unknown> (indicating that it was done using dnf4 with discover and packagekit) while the dnf command is using dnf5 and the cache and history for dnf4 and dnf5 are different. The dnf command cannot show the repo used for installing/updating packages that were installed with dnf4.

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Here’s the info - but I’ve seen others with this issue who have nvidia graphics - so it possibly has to do with graphics in general, not specific brands…

System:
  Kernel: 6.13.6-200.fc41.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.1
  Console: pty pts/2 wm: kwin_x11 DM: SDDM Distro: Fedora Linux 41 (KDE
    Plasma)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: 500-339 v: N/A
    serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 3 serial: N/A
  Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 2B17 v: 1.0 serial: N/A part-nu: F3F04AA#ABL
    UEFI: AMI v: 80.11 date: 03/10/2015
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech MK700 serial: <filter>
    charge: 70% (should be ignored) status: discharging
  Device-2: hidpp_battery_1 model: Logitech Marathon Mouse/Performance Plus
    M705 serial: <filter> charge: 55% (should be ignored) status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: AMD A10-7800 Radeon R7 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
    bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Steamroller rev: 1 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 4 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1400 min/max: 1400/3500 boost: enabled cores: 1: 1400
    2: 1400 3: 1400 4: 1400 bogomips: 27946
  Flags: avx ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
Graphics:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: radeon v: kernel arch: GCN-2 ports:
    active: none empty: DVI-D-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:130f
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R5 430
    OEM R7 240/340 Radeon 520 OEM] vendor: Pegatron driver: radeon v: kernel
    arch: GCN-1 pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8 ports: active: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1
    empty: none bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6611 temp: 45.0 C
  Device-3: Logitech HD Webcam C510 driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
    rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-2:3 chip-ID: 046d:081d
  Display: unspecified server: X.Org v: 21.1.16 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.6
    compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa
    dri: swrast gpu: radeon display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3840x1080 s-dpi: 96
  Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: right model: ViewSonic VA2405-FHD res: 1920x1080i
    hz: 60 dpi: 93 diag: 604mm (23.8")
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: primary,left model: HP 23er
    res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 96 diag: 584mm (23")
  API: EGL v: 1.5 platforms: gbm: drv: kms_swrast surfaceless: drv: swrast
    x11: drv: swrast inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 25.0.1 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes
    renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 19.1.7 256 bits) device-ID: ffffffff:ffffffff
  API: Vulkan v: 1.4.304 surfaces: xcb,xlib device: 0 type: cpu driver: N/A
    device-ID: 10005:0000
  Info: Tools: api: clinfo, eglinfo, glxinfo, vulkaninfo
    de: kscreen-console,kscreen-doctor wl: wayland-info x11: xdriinfo,
    xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1022:780d
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape
    Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000 Series] vendor: Pegatron
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8
    bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aab0
  Device-3: Logitech HD Webcam C510 driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
    rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-2:3 chip-ID: 046d:081d
  API: ALSA v: k6.13.6-200.fc41.x86_64 status: kernel-api
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.2.7 status: n/a (root, process) with:
    1: pipewire-pulse status: active 2: wireplumber status: active
    3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s
    lanes: 1 port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
  IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Broadcom BCM43142 802.11b/g/n vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: N/A pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 05:00.0
    chip-ID: 14e4:4365
  Device-3: Realtek RTL88x2bu [AC1200 Techkey] driver: rtw_8822bu type: USB
    rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 6-2.1:5 chip-ID: 0bda:b812
  IF: wlp0s16f0u2u1 state: up mac: <filter>
  Device-4: Realtek RTL8153 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter driver: r8152 type: USB
    rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 6-2.2:4 chip-ID: 0bda:8153
  IF: enp0s16f0u2u2 state: down mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM43142A0 Bluetooth Device driver: btusb v: 0.8
    type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 4-3:2 chip-ID: 0a5c:216c
  Report: btmgmt ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 4.0
    lmp-v: 6
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 2.27 TiB used: 500.45 GiB (21.5%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST1500DL003-9VT16L size: 1.36 TiB
    speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> temp: 26 C
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Crucial model: CT1000MX500SSD1 size: 931.51 GiB
    speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> temp: 33 C
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 1.36 TiB used: 16.03 GiB (1.1%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3
  ID-2: /boot size: 973.4 MiB used: 347.1 MiB (35.7%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda2
  ID-3: /boot/efi size: 598.8 MiB used: 19.4 MiB (3.2%) fs: vfat
    dev: /dev/sda1
  ID-4: /home size: 1.36 TiB used: 16.03 GiB (1.1%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: 100
    dev: /dev/zram0
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 15.8 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
  GPU: device: radeon temp: 45.0 C device: radeon temp: 18.0 C
Info:
  Memory: total: 32 GiB note: est. available: 30.27 GiB used: 3.22 GiB (10.7%)
  Processes: 291 Power: uptime: 9m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 256
    target: graphical (5) default: graphical
  Packages: pm: rpm pkgs: N/A note: see --rpm Compilers: N/A Shell: Bash
    v: 5.2.32 running-in: konsole inxi: 3.3.37
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Pity. I really thought Fedora was the best for stability and simplicity. Seems like this is just carelessness.

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the output full of 12 added in lots of places.
Can post a version without this issue please?

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Oops… I updated the output.

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That was under X11. Here’s the output for wayland:

System:
  Kernel: 6.13.6-200.fc41.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.1
  Console: pty pts/2 wm: kwin_wayland DM: SDDM Distro: Fedora Linux 41 (KDE
    Plasma)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: 500-339 v: N/A
    serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 3 serial: N/A
  Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 2B17 v: 1.0 serial: N/A part-nu: F3F04AA#ABL
    UEFI: AMI v: 80.11 date: 03/10/2015
Battery:
  Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech MK700 serial: <filter>
    charge: 70% (should be ignored) status: discharging
  Device-2: hidpp_battery_1 model: Logitech Marathon Mouse/Performance Plus
    M705 serial: <filter> charge: 55% (should be ignored) status: discharging
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: AMD A10-7800 Radeon R7 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
    bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Steamroller rev: 1 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 4 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 3500 min/max: 1400/3500 boost: enabled cores: 1: 3500
    2: 3500 3: 3500 4: 3500 bogomips: 27946
  Flags: avx ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
Graphics:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: radeon v: kernel arch: GCN-2 ports:
    active: none empty: DVI-D-1,VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:130f
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R5 430
    OEM R7 240/340 Radeon 520 OEM] vendor: Pegatron driver: radeon v: kernel
    arch: GCN-1 pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8 ports: active: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1
    empty: none bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6611 temp: 53.0 C
  Device-3: Logitech HD Webcam C510 driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
    rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-2:3 chip-ID: 046d:081d
  Display: unspecified server: X.Org v: 24.1.6 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.6
    compositor: kwin_wayland driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: swrast gpu: radeon display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3840x1080 s-dpi: 96
  Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: right model: ViewSonic VA2405-FHD res: 1920x1080
    hz: 60 dpi: 93 diag: 604mm (23.8")
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 pos: primary,left model: HP 23er res: 1920x1080 hz: 60
    dpi: 96 diag: 584mm (23")
  API: EGL v: 1.5 platforms: gbm: drv: kms_swrast surfaceless: drv: swrast
    x11: drv: swrast inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 25.0.1 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes
    renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 19.1.7 256 bits) device-ID: ffffffff:ffffffff
  API: Vulkan v: 1.4.304 surfaces: xcb,xlib device: 0 type: cpu driver: N/A
    device-ID: 10005:0000
  Info: Tools: api: clinfo, eglinfo, glxinfo, vulkaninfo
    de: kscreen-console,kscreen-doctor wl: wayland-info x11: xdriinfo,
    xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1022:780d
  Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Oland/Hainan/Cape
    Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000 Series] vendor: Pegatron
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 8
    bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aab0
  Device-3: Logitech HD Webcam C510 driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
    rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-2:3 chip-ID: 046d:081d
  API: ALSA v: k6.13.6-200.fc41.x86_64 status: kernel-api
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.2.7 status: n/a (root, process) with:
    1: pipewire-pulse status: active 2: wireplumber status: active
    3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s
    lanes: 1 port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
  IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Broadcom BCM43142 802.11b/g/n vendor: Hewlett-Packard
    driver: N/A pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 05:00.0
    chip-ID: 14e4:4365
  Device-3: Realtek RTL88x2bu [AC1200 Techkey] driver: rtw_8822bu type: USB
    rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 6-2.1:5 chip-ID: 0bda:b812
  IF: wlp0s16f0u2u1 state: up mac: <filter>
  Device-4: Realtek RTL8153 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter driver: r8152 type: USB
    rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 6-2.2:4 chip-ID: 0bda:8153
  IF: enp0s16f0u2u2 state: down mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM43142A0 Bluetooth Device driver: btusb v: 0.8
    type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 4-3:2 chip-ID: 0a5c:216c
  Report: btmgmt ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 4.0
    lmp-v: 6
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 2.27 TiB used: 500.44 GiB (21.5%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST1500DL003-9VT16L size: 1.36 TiB
    speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> temp: 27 C
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Crucial model: CT1000MX500SSD1 size: 931.51 GiB
    speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> temp: 34 C
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 1.36 TiB used: 16.02 GiB (1.1%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3
  ID-2: /boot size: 973.4 MiB used: 347.1 MiB (35.7%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda2
  ID-3: /boot/efi size: 598.8 MiB used: 19.4 MiB (3.2%) fs: vfat
    dev: /dev/sda1
  ID-4: /home size: 1.36 TiB used: 16.02 GiB (1.1%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda3
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: 100
    dev: /dev/zram0
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 29.4 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
  GPU: device: radeon temp: 53.0 C device: radeon temp: 29.0 C
Info:
  Memory: total: 32 GiB note: est. available: 30.27 GiB used: 2.66 GiB (8.8%)
  Processes: 287 Power: uptime: 17m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 256
    target: graphical (5) default: graphical
  Packages: pm: rpm pkgs: N/A note: see --rpm Compilers: N/A Shell: Bash
    v: 5.2.32 running-in: konsole inxi: 3.3.37
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could you please try sudo dnf downgrade mesa* command?
i had same issue and i found out that it was mesa bug in version 25

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Brilliant!!! That worked. How is this handled for future upgrades?

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you can use sudo dnf upgrade --exclude=mesa* to update exept mesa until you feel safe to upgrade it.

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HELLOOOOO my fellow Kaveri kindred!!!
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I should be more formal, but I’m just happy for this coincidence about such old hardware!
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I have actually made a post of my own the day before this, but the solution doesn’t seem to be working for me (we have the same family of CPUs, our PCs are very similar).
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Where you installed Fedora 41 KDE and then updated you seem to have been able to downgrade immediately, I instead installed Fedora months ago (still KDE 41) and thus I can’t do that for reasons better explained in my post.
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For my sake and that of all the others with similar issues, be it a Kaveri iGPU or not, I invite people to help on the page and (if a solution is found) to then maybe use this and my post too as guidelines for either the same issue or similar ones.

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Old GPUs don’t die, they just fade away :old_man:

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Thanks. Hard to know when to feel safe :slight_smile: Maybe follow this thread

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I solved it.

This time the command worked and I managed to downgrade to Mesa 24.2.x.
The Kaveri iGPU now works like before.

More details in my post (linked above).

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I upgraded to Mesa 25.0.2 from KDE Discover without any problems

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tl;dr I managed to update my Mesa too and the Kaveri iGPU works. All other problems which may come later will be talked about in any new post because the “Mesa 25 don’t work” issue is solved.

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Update on the Kaveri Graphics problems with Mesa 25-:

It seem that updates to Mesa 25- may keep cutting out completely or partially support to some old Graphics architectures.
I have made a new post here since both mine old one and this have “their solution”, so it’s not appropriate to keep going on in these (I linked for it to be easier to follow possible problems about this topic).