I don’t know, but it seems like it’s probably not a very hard theme component.
2 Likes
For some background, see
and specifically Why am I unable to send direct messages to Ask Fedora members here? - #8 by mattdm
There is also a whole Discourse Chat system meant for real-tiime communications, but we never turned that on since we have Matrix.
2 Likes
I’ll open something tomorrow or in the next days when I have time, in both the devel mailing list and here in public Discourse, and then link both to each other. I ping you so that you know about it. I open something in both as I try to involve the whole community, and bridge the two whenever possible, and create some incentives on both sides. While I don’t think this proposal is super relevant in this respect, it generally can have many disadvantageous side effects over time, or occasionally, if two parts of a community evolve separately from each other without being exposed to each other and thus learning to understand each other’s reasoning. Much potential for feedback and collaboration lost, and it can explain a lot of misunderstandings I read over time. So I use the topic also a little to raise reciprocal awareness & incentives even if it is unlikely to make a big difference (while the additional text that rises from this goal can be sometimes a problem though) 
But I agree with you that the devel mailing list is the most important channel/part for this type of topic. So I’ll let you know when I opened something 
(I therefore do not yet submit the proposal).
Are we able to edit the HTML/CSS/UI of the email templates? Do you know where we could learn more about how to do that, so someone could possibly help us out with that?
Yeah, the templates are editable in the admin interface. I’ve been hesitant to mess with it because it’s a lot.
FWIW, I’d really like to get all that discussion moved here. Mailing lists are not the future. It’s therefore worthwhile spending time on improvements like the template enhancements we’re discussing.
3 Likes
100%. I don’t think it is healthy to have two major audiences separated and evolve independently of each other. I see a lot of presumptions about the respective other in the discussions of each of the two, and it usually remains unchallenged if the two do not come together / get exposed to each other. At the worst, they go in different directions and feel betrayed if it causes frictions with the other at a later point. My personal opinion is that some misunderstandings, up to some hostilities between the two, are the result of this “split” (just a subjective opinion based on little information of course). But so far, those who will be most involved in the decision making of such proposals, are only there, not here 
However, I consider some points of them justified, about why they reject Discourse (to need an FAS acc, limited cross-community discussion, …).
2 Likes
It’s a common misconception on free and open source software communities.
We do all the Fedora project work, like development, packaging, meetings, committees discussions in the open, because it’s the nature of the Fedora Project.
That doesn’t mean that some discussion can’t happen in private, i.e.: code of conduct violation tickets’ discussions, any discussion that involve legal terms and meetings, and some more.
This happen everywhere, not only in the Fedora Project, every project handle stuff in private, usually for privacy concerns and anonymity of people when required (i.e. a person that file a ticket about being bullied or harassed).
I’ll be honest, as much as I actually do dislike mailing lists in general, mainly because they’re such a pain in the arse to moderate (and I’m not deep enough into the Fedora sphere that I use any of the Fedora ones, so I can’t really speak to major differences there), they have their place.
Development discussion on the discourse platform is just clunky at best (speaking generally, not about the Fedora Discourse specifically), and frankly, the small barrier to entry for mailing lists does act as a filter, that keeps some of the noise down. (Just to be clear, I am heavily involved in another project, that still primarily uses mailing lists for development discussions, so I’m not completely talking out my kiester).
Not saying that discourse can’t work for those development discussions, but so far, with a number of projects, I’ve not seen where it really has worked anywhere close to what I’d consider “satisfactory”
1 Like
As a datapoint, the first time someone sent me a PM on discourse I was pretty confused, as I didn’t even know it was a thing on this platform. I ended up disabling them entirely (there’s a toggle in settings for that), as I don’t need yet another channel to monitor for unrestricted 1:1 comms.
1 Like
Hi,
As a datapoint, the first time someone sent me a PM on discourse I was pretty confused, as I didn’t even know it was a thing on this platform. I ended up disabling them entirely (there’s a toggle in settings for that), as I don’t need yet another channel to monitor for unrestricted 1:1 comms.
Where is this setting? I remember seeing some preferences, but I cannot
find it now. How is this setting called?
Might it be an idea to turn this off by default so people don’t
accidentally start private forum discussions?
BTW. I do think development discussions are better held on the
mailinglists. At least I don’t really understand how people are
following these forums. Of course that is because all of the upstream
communities I am involved with use mailinglists.
Cheers,
Mark
It’s under Preferences - Users - Messages, there’s a checkbox for “Allow other users to send me personal messages and chat direct messages” (and another one to only allow specific users).