[TALK] Inxi | the help to help your selves

[jrredho (john r red-horse)]

I like this idea, but, as you demonstrate, it’s not included on the Live ISOs. I remember a few years ago I proposed adding it, and learned that there was a strong opposition to that idea since it was replicating capabilities that were already present in fpaste using the --printonly option.

Since that time, it looks to me like there have been updates to fpaste to make it easier to focus on various sysinfo subsets.

All of this is probably moot until one inevitably tries to help someone debug a networking issue, and is unable to install inxi.

[ilikelinux]

@jrredho

I remember a few years ago I proposed adding it, and learned that there was a strong opposition to that idea since it was replicating capabilities that were already present in fpaste using the --printonly option.

I was here and I do remember. I accept and respect this decisions made back then. However, we which are doing ~ 70% of the support here, do have also the right to choose with which tool we prefer to work and how we can, in a fast way recognize patterns, which indicate to certain bugs. User is free to use that tool, and we are free to help, where we believe we can help and or at least with a useful comment, contribute to a faster solution for the user.

If you like, you could make a topic dedicated just for fpaste. However important is to hide private information. With inxi this is quite easy with the parameters -Fzx

Just installing a tool on to the environment by default, not means that it will be used the correct way. To catch easy and fast patterns made me do this topic. We are not forcing users to use it, but we also not let us force to use fpaste when we not get some better instructions how to use it.

Have a look:

ilikelinux @ fedy44 > ~
 fpaste

It happens nothing when not hitting enter.

You have to interrupt with CTRL & C to get that information:

^C
USAGE REMINDER:
   fpaste waits for input when run without file arguments.
   Paste your text, then press <Ctrl-D> on a new line to upload.
   Try `fpaste --help' for more information.
Exiting...

I not call this user friendly and intuitive. It is indeed everyone’s own choice what they use.

@jrredho

one inevitably tries to help someone debug a networking issue,

Without network any support isn’t easy, how would you propose the fpaste way of helping without network?
In both cases I would propose the USB-tethering path. After that both ways are open again

[jrredho (john r red-horse)]

@ilikelinux

However, we which are doing ~ 70% of the support here, do have also the right to choose with which tool we prefer to work and how we can, in a fast way recognize patterns, which indicate to certain bugs.

I completely agree, absolutely! Y’all do y’all.

@ilikelinux

With inxi this is quite easy with the parameters -Fzx

Since you define necessary options in inxi, why not consider defining the necessary ones for fpaste, such as fpaste --sysinfo-short --printonly similarly?

@ilikelinux

Without network any support isn’t easy, how would you propose the fpaste way of helping without network?

Ha! Yeah, I was thinking about wireless networking when I wrote that. Sorry for failing to make that one clearer.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[fatka]

@ilikelinux

Have a look:

ilikelinux @ fedy44 > ~
 fpaste

As I understand fpaste expects --sysinfo or --sysinfo-short (there are a few other --*info flags).

[computersavvy (Jeff V)]

I split this off from the Start Here category since that is a reference category and should not be used for discussions.

[ankursinha (FranciscoD)]

@ilikelinux

It happens nothing when not hitting enter.

You have to interrupt with CTRL & C to get that information:

^C
USAGE REMINDER:
   fpaste waits for input when run without file arguments.
   Paste your text, then press <Ctrl-D> on a new line to upload.
   Try `fpaste --help' for more information.
Exiting...

I not call this user friendly and intuitive. I

the usage reminder really should come first—this bug has not been filed, so I was not aware of it. It’s a simple enough fix. I’ve filed an issue and will include a fix in the next release:

Print usage message on top when used without arguments (and expects user input)

(please file bugs—we cannot monitor all the forum posts looking for issues)

@ilikelinux

Without network any support isn’t easy, how would you propose the fpaste way of helping without network?

this was the use case for the --print-only flag—people can pipe the collected information to files and share them using other systems. Not ideal without an internet connect, of course, but not an issue fpaste or inxi can solve, unfortunately.