So just to make sure: to get the pre-configured setup where everything works, it is better to just install Workstation to begin with, correct?
Asking because I just installed KDE 43, and it is very buggy, and I just want things to be smooth(er)
Ran into the same issue as OP, but there is no workstation-product-environment listed at all in the non-hidden repos. In the hidden ones, gnome-desktop is not listed either
I moved you question here as it is not related to the topic you replied to.
Are you install kde plasma as a new install or an upgrade?
I guess the user wants to install the gnome desktop beside the KDE install he made.
I would not recommend that. Specially for new users which expect a working system.
If you mix the two desktops you will get errors from both desktop environments and this will not give you the smooth experience you are looking for.
If you are a bit more advanced, you can run a other Dedktop Environment in a virtual machine which gives you the freedom to run them biside.
If you installed recently, i propose to backup your /home drive and start over with Gnome.
It was a new install of KDE 43. Wiped out my Windows 11, so this is the first Linux system installed on my laptop (thinkpad).
So I was just wondering if I have to wipe KDE and fresh-install Workstation to move to the GNOME environment? If yes, too bad for my 12 hours spent so far setting up my system lol, will have to redo it. Just wanted to ask to make sure
You can remove KDE and install Gnome, or you can reinstall.
If you have spent 12 hours customising your KDE, theat will be lost either way.
If rather you spent 12 hours install other software, you can keep that if you move to Gnome.
People have strong views about reinstalling vs changing desktops but both work.
It is not abaut strong views. It is about new users and let them have nice experience.
Focussing on one task helps to get a better overview and learn the difference in between the Desktops.
Well, that’s it, I’ve spent all this time on setting up my networks and installing my software, not ricing KDE. So I thought it wouldn’t be a huge problem to simply migrate the system to GNOME.
Unfortunately, the option doesn’t show up in the list of available DEs when I follow the instructions in this Fedora doc, nor does it show in the “hidden” list of available installs as per this thread. I don’t see anything called “gnome” or “workstation.” Not sure how to proceed.
sudo dnf install @workstation-product-environment
Do this from a new tty after reboot with ctrl+alt+f3
I’m new but I do have a bit of experience already, I’ve been running Mint Cinnamon and Debian GNOME on different computers. So I know the difference between these 3 DEs (incl. KDE) and I feel pretty comfortable (adventurous?)
Basically I just really really don’t want to restart setting everything up. But I like KDE a lot less than I thought I would
ETA: almost had a heart attack when my system randomly crashed after I tried to add a custom theme to KDE, and it was something like
dracut-initqueue[49] Warning: Not all disks have been found
dracut-initqueue[49] You might want to regenerate your initramfs
Pretty scary just for trying to change the colour of the desktop if you ask me. Luckily, it eventually fell back on a restore of some kind.
If you are used to Windows and this is your first experience with a Linux distro, be aware that the UX philosophy of Gnome is quite different from Windows. You can get Gnome closer to a Windows experience with extensions, but these are often written by third parties and may introduce issues. KDE by default is much more similar to Windows and you can customize it heavily.
I am not writing this to deter you, but I would suggest you get a Workstation live ISO and check it out before wiping out your KDE installation, especially since you already invested quite a bit of time into it.
In the past, up to Plasma 5.27, my experience with KDE was also quite rocky, but ever since KDE Plasma 6, it has been pretty solid. There were issues, sure, but nothing major. And, in particular, the handling of fractional scaling in combination with XWayland has been much better on KDE Plasma.
If you decide to stick to KDE, I suggest you post your issues here (in a new thread) and see if users can support you to get it up and running.
I think we posted at nearly the same time and I mentioned in my reply above that I have a bit of XP already, incl with GNOME (on Debian) at least enough to be certain enough that switching would be okay.
The suggestion to post my issues with KDE though is a solid one. I’ll open a new thread - thanks
It is good if you write this when yo answer to a topic or make your own.
dnf environment list --available | grep desktop
You just have to adjust the command. If you want all environments, then just let the “| grep desktop” away.
dnf environment list --available
Updating and loading repositories:
Repositories loaded.
ID Name Installed
custom-environment Fedora Custom Operating System no
workstation-product-environment Fedora Workstation no
server-product-environment Fedora Server Edition no
cloud-server-environment Fedora Cloud Server no
kde-desktop-environment KDE Plasma Workspaces no
kde-mobile-environment KDE Plasma Mobile no
xfce-desktop-environment Xfce Desktop no
phosh-desktop-environment Phosh Desktop no
lxde-desktop-environment LXDE Desktop no
lxqt-desktop-environment LXQt Desktop no
cinnamon-desktop-environment Cinnamon Desktop no
mate-desktop-environment MATE Desktop no
sugar-desktop-environment Sugar Desktop Environment no
deepin-desktop-environment Deepin Desktop no
budgie-desktop-environment Budgie Desktop no
cosmic-desktop-environment COSMIC Desktop no
developer-workstation-environment Development and Creative Workstation no
basic-desktop-environment Basic Desktop no
i3-desktop-environment i3 desktop no
miraclewm-desktop-environment Miracle WM Desktop Environment no
sway-desktop-environment Sway Desktop no
Yes, when I hit send, I saw your response. I thought about changing my message but decided against it. I think it is still valid general advice for someone new to Linux, even though it doesn’t apply to you.
@ilikelinux Thank you so much! And sorry for the confusion! @l-c-g to you as well, thanks for the solid advice!
Running the command sudo dnf group list --hidden gives me this
gnome-desktop GNOME Desktop Environment yes
The yes there means it is hidden.
Installing it would be done with sudo dnf install @gnome-desktop which would pull in all the required packages.
Once installed then the login screen where the user enters the password has a gear at the lower right to select which DE to use.
Just note that this means you will then have pretty much two versions of most applications of each DE, unless you also remove KDE Plasma or make an effort to hide each DE’s applications in the other one: You will have Dolphin and Nautilus, Konsole and Gnome Terminal (or whatever default terminal they switched to), Gwenview and Loupe, Okular and Papers, etc.
If this might bother you (I know it bothers me, a lot), a clean installation of Fedora Workstation may be more suitable.
That is what I try to point out since the beginning of the discussion.
Development path of editions and spins are single ISO’s with an installer.
If such installations as we create here, want to report bugs, they will not get the necessary support in time.
And the value of this kind of topics, is for beginners is like “zero”.
Thanks everyone. The command without grep did pull up the workstation environment, so I’m going to try installing that.
If it all borks I can always wipe and reinstall later. And if it works, well, hopefully I’ll save myself some time.
And yes I’ll be removing KDE
I believe that after installing the gnome DE and reboot you probably could remove KDE with sudo dnf remove @kde-desktop to avoid the above mentioned issues with having packages with similar functions but for the other DE.
Wanted to check in and say that I ended up wiping and reinstalling Workstation with Gnome, and there are no bugs. Even though I have to redo a bunch of work now, still a happy camper. Thanks to everyone who responded!