Help with Nvidia drivers, Fedora 42

That’s what I followed. As for no info posted, how do I? I choose fedora from the boot menu and then nothing. If there is a way to get some info, please let me know.

Surely you need to reboot to load the new driver version?
Last time a used windows it needed to do several reboots for a simple update and it took hours to complete.
With linux I can update the entire system eg: from f41 to f42 in 15 minutes with a single reboot.

Current nvidia drivers don’t necessarely require Windows to be restated. But, as expected, you need to close any program utilising the GPU though.

Yup, I noticed that and assumed that was the “driver rebuilding”, so that was normal.

No, it’s not like that. The dark screen happens too but when alt-tabbing out of a game, but the flickering is everywhere, all the time, even on the desktop and in regular apps. It’s very fast, rapid blinking, there is fraction of a second between blinks I don’t know how to describe it but it’s not “mode switch”. This is specific to VRR screen and OLEDS apparently suffer from this, but mine is an old school IPS.

Nope. Most drivers are in “user space”. Literally no driver, except Intel Chipset Driver or some weird storage interfaces, I ever used in Windows 11 requires a reboot. You can freely install, upgrade or downgrade graphics, audio, network drivers just by running the .exe installer and just carry on. You may just need to restart some applications if they were opened during driver installation.

Holy cow, when was that, Windows 95? I know, I see this a lot from longtime Linux users, but Windows improved a lot since those days :slight_smile: Sure, major system updates will require a reboot, but nothing takes hours to update in Windows, few minutes maybe. And you can even disable updates which is another Windows myth perpetuated by Linux users: “forced updates” and it’s easier than installing NVIDIA drivers on Linux :rofl:

Which is even more frustrating when you consider that Wayland was released a full year before Windows 7 and the glacial progress it made. I’ve been using GSYNC on Windows since GSYNC came out, over 10 years, it was still Windows 7 and I’m on a third GSYNC monitor, without any problems, while Wayland struggles with it still.

It’s advisable, since an app that uses GPU acceleration may crash but I’ve done NVIDIA driver updates even with accelerated apps opened, and nothing bad happened that would required a reboot. A graphics driver or an accelerated app can’t bring Windows down even if it crashes.

Basically all the crap you see on the web: Windows is slow, Windows is unstable, Windows forces updates, etc is utter nonsense. The only problem with Windows these days is the way Microsoft pushes their services, AI, cloud, the way they screw with the UI and the way they violate privacy and hinder customization and nearly of that can be removed from Windows and it’s not rocket science. I have a Windows 11 custom build that boots to under 2GB of RAM with fewer than 100 tasks running.

Windows 11 as an OS, technically, is quite advanced these days, it’s perfectly stable and very fast, there is nothing really wrong with it, besides Microsoft being assholes. I don’t remember the last time I had to reboot any of my PCs because of a crash or any other issue.

It was recent.
I had to restore a friends windows 10 machine (nvme drive), it’s backup partition had pre service pack 1 image.
It took several hours to restore and update to windows 11, is it quicker with fast connection?, I only have 1Gb fibre :neutral_face:

Restore from what? Restore how? How big was the source? This doesn’t mean anything. Let’s not compare apples to oranges. We were talking about Windows installations and updates not about restoring existing disk partitions of unspecified size from unspecified sources using unspecified methods :joy:

I’ve literally just now installed Windows 11 from a USB drive and it was less than 10 minutes. Sorry, just wiped my last Fedora installation :cry: OK, it’s my custom ISO, but still far cry from “hours”.

Raw disk clones and restores might take longer, especially over the internet, for example Clonezilla or Macrium clones can take very long as they don’t run at full USB speeds, not sure why, simple driver? No UASP support? I recently cloned my Debian system NVME SSD to another NVME SSD over USB-C, under 30 GB worth of data with Clonezilla and it took over half an hour.

Also, 1 Gb fiber is only around 110 MB/s - a 5400rpm hard drive speed , assuming no bottlenecks :winking_face_with_tongue: So if you were restoring a full partition with applications and user data sure, it might take hours.

Not a normal Windows install and update scenario :smirking_face:

Anyway, thank you all for all past and current help and advice but this discussion made me realize that I’m really tired of this uphill battle and I’m gonna take a break for a while from Fedora and Linux desktop in general. I’ll wait for Debian 13 KDE and maybe check out Fedora 4x again later this year.

I don’t hate Windows THAT much and I am not in a hurry to switch. I ran Fedora KDE on a few PCs and an old laptop on and off since December but there are way too many problems without acceptable solutions.

Cheers!

Bruh💀 What about me? Trying the if not true then false guide now, it’s my last hope on fedora. Hopefully that works. I don’t like how this devolved into arguments where nobody got anything done.
But I agree with your point.

I’m not giving up, just taking a break. I’ve been testing tens of Linux distros for nearly a year now, Fedora for about four months. I need to regroup :grinning_face:

I just want to play some games and ride my bike, the weather is getting nice now.

I like KDE Plasma and software and this is why I chose Fedora because their KDE integration is the best. I’m gonna see what Debian 13 KDE brings in few months though, check that out too.

I believe that the way Microsoft is operating Windows will become unusable for me in 2 years or so: the AI push, the cloud crap, the shoving of Microsoft services down our throats, the annual updates that make customization harder each time, etc. I have it under control now, but unless a miracle happens, Microsoft is going to kill Windows for me in couple of years.

See, I’m a perfect material for a Linux user: I already use FOSS apps on Windows: Krita, Libre Office, Mozilla stuff, Filezilla, etc and I run my own Nextcloud server, web server. I’ve been tinkering on and off with Linux as long as I used computers, but mostly with servers. This is my first serious attempt to use Linux as desktop.

I don’t use or desire any other Microsoft software, products or services besides Windows itself. Windows worked for me for nearly 3 decades but the way things are going now, I see no future in Windows. I don’t hate Windows and I don’t love it, but it’s what worked for me so far and I’m gonna miss lots of things from Windows.

So, don’t give up either, but try not to burn out or rage quit as it happens to many Windows switchers. Take a break if you need to, though :grinning_face:

PS. And I’m sorry for hijacking your thread!

We’re similar, except I’m setting up my home server after a certain video was recommended to me recently. I have a gaming laptop just sitting there and instead pf selling it, I might as well use it for something useful.

Safe rides, enjoy the weather and thanks for the help.

A major misunderstanding.
Yes, the drivers must be rebuilt with kernel updates! HOWEVER, 99+% of the issue is the user is impatient and fails to wait adequate time after an update for the drivers to be recompiled and installed before rebooting. This interrupts the automatic compile and installation process and often results in corrupted drivers that then must be manually repaired (one simple command does that – sudo akmods --rebuild --force).

It is unfair to blame fedora (or any other operating system) for a problem that exists as a PEBCAK error. (caused by the user).

I NEVER use discover or gnome software (both gui tools) to perform updates. Instead I do all updates manually using the dnf command line tool so that I can 1) see what is happening, and 2) can control the timing of when reboots occur after updates. The gui tools provide little to no info about what is being done and absolutely no control of timing on reboots.

As noted by Leigh, I have no problems with kernel or driver updates since I remain in total control of the process.

My last update with windows 10 took almost 2 hours and 3 reboots. Major updates are much slower than on any linux version I have ever used.

100% False unless the user turns off updates completely (or is disconnected from the internet).

I’ve been on this and KDE forums since December and I read every NVIDIA related post and I never saw this. Today is the first time it was brought up. It would have saved me so much frustration, but no one ever said this before.

No, this a UI/UX design failure, not a user error. The OS is absolutely to blame. You can’t blame the users for poor or defective UI/UX design.

You were on a dialup or something? And a laptop hard drive?

This is what puzzles me, and what bothers me, about the Linux community: the wildly inaccurate, yet so confident, statements about Windows, things that were never true, or maybe were true 10-15 years ago. Not sure why this happens but this is all over all kinds of internet forums and I fail to understand this.

There are free tools (GUI) that let you control Windows Updates the way it works in the enterprise. Though this may not work in the Home edition, only Pro. None of my Windows PCs gets feature updates, just the security updates and they never require a reboot. I run them whenever I decide to, I’m never forced to run them. You don’t have to disable WU permanently for this, it can be changed any time. Just click that one button:

There are also registry tweaks that let you postpone Windows Updates way beyond the default 4 weeks too, and this can be changed any time, if you decide you want to get updates. This works in the Home edition:

Nope
A 1GBps fibre connection with NVME SSD, and it took that long to download the update, never mind the time required for the full system update with the required reboots.

I don’t know if what I’m writing is helpful, but I have an Nvidia RTX 4060 8 GB card (temporarily - I’m saving up for AMD RX9070 XTX) and an AORUS F027Q3 360 Hz monitor and everything simply works, even GSYNC, although this monitor supposedly doesn’t officially support it, HDR also works - although adjusting the brightness with what’s built into gnome-control-center sometimes ends with a momentary screen freeze - switching to tty 3..6 and back to tty2 helps, after which everything works again. Regarding nvidia drivers, they install themselves after installing a new kernel and it works without a problem, including signing with a certificate and using almost automatic (when you install from the store) - sometimes not, because for example the driver does not have time to build completely for various reasons - then I simply do what rpm-fusion recommends:

sudo akmods --rebuild --force && sudo dracut --regenerate-all --force -v && sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2-efi.cfg

From the next computer start, everything works normally, including the secure boot that I use, and even encryption worked, including using tpm2 with an unusual installation

I am seeing A LOT of messages in A LONG column of various tests.

I am here just and only to say this:
Nvidia on Linux is more than fine.

I’ve had more problems during Fedora KDE 38, 39 and 40 with stuff that needed to be installed through the Konsole and settings buried in some bad UI than with the Nvidia RPM Fusion drivers.
Only times they stopped working were (1) when I tried to install newer ones from the Nvidia’s Website (never again) and (2) maybe for a day and 1/2 at most when there was an update and the drivers didn’t work or something (fallback to Nouveau).

Nvidia is so fine enough that I am managing to use Nouveau on a GT 710 to run Desktop stuff ok!

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If anything, AMD i/GPUs also sometimes have problems during updates, like the Kaveri ones 3 months ago:

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Listen OP, please, other than “if your issue got fixed then appoint a message with the solution flag on it”, please edit the opening message by adding the result of inxi -Fzxx in the Konsole.

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As a closure:

Anyone and everyone is free to install whatever Linux Distro they want, but personally I prefer not to get a branch of a branch, evenmore because they are usually supported by just “a dude”.
I got stock Fedora because it’s maintained with relatively contemporaneous software and drivers, it has a large userbase (so more community support) and it’s developed by a company too.

I don’t really care about most of the stuff “happening in the back” because I am just an End User. A Middle Man between “what’s a folder?” and “I coded a new General Artificial Intelligence on the PC I crafted by hand”, but still a end user.
I want my PC to just work and I also want a human GUI, so I got KDE.

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I can say that, except for cases when there’s an hardware failure, a software corruption, or the stars just align to explode your computer, basically all Operating Systems will just work as intended.
The only issue is when clear instructions are absent and so the user is lost and can’t learn how to make stuff work, but that’s not a case here most of the time.
(Go look at the Keyboard’s page in settings, it may as well be written in hieroglyphs on an UFO’s console, and then there was THIS travesty:)

hi . there i just installed fedora. i came from mint. was searching for a way to install nvidia drivers. tried your way. everything went fine. driver installed and rebooted. after roboot. it went into emergency mood and im stuck there now. help please.

Do a clean install again and use just and only this resource to install Nvidia Drivers on Nvidia.

Btw it’s a proven fact that even very old AND WEAK Nvidia GPUs can support Wayland with the Nouveau Drivers.

Only if the user doesn’t assume system has crashed and cycles the power.