Help needed, I'm trying to get free of windows and fedora 43 or 42 live won't boot

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I have a brand new HP Omnidesk Desktop PC (M02-0224), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G, AMD Radeon Graphics 740M, 16 GB DDR5, 512 GB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 SSD, with Windows 11 Home.

I turned on the computer for the first time to update the BIOS and consequently Windows. I also changed the boot order for disk drive first, second USB, and third internal SSD.

With my 2022 HP Probook (also AMD Ryzen 5 and in UEFI) I successfully installed a borrowed copy of Fedora 42 on disk and upgraded to Fedora 43, very happy with the system. I then used Fedora Media Writer to write a Fedora 43 live USB.

With my Live USB (F43) I then tryed it on the Desktop, I was able to get to a GRUB? screen,

The available selections were, on the top left of screen,

1st line: Start Fedora Workstation Live
2nd line: Test this media & Start Fedora Workstation Live
3rd line: Troubleshooting

If I select Start Fedora or Test this media it freezes in a black screen.

If I select Troubleshooting, I get basic options for editing, or command line function.

If I try different USB slots from front to rear I get the same result.

If I connect my disk player and use the Fedora 42 disk I know works I get the same results as with the USB plus I can hear the spin up of the disk and after approx 5 sec after a selection to start fedora it stopped spinning.

If I take my laptop hard drive out and use my hard drive external adaptor and try my working system on the desktop I get the same results as with the USB and the fedora 42 disk.

Is there someone that can help with this, I can’t seem to find anything online that is directly like my situation, I’m just trying to free myself from windows, this was so easy on my laptop, weird, thank you.

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It sounds like the version of the video driver in the installer does not support your PC’s video card. It used to be possible (usually) to work around that problem by adding nomodeset to the list of kernel parameters.[1] With the GRUB bootloader, I think you need to press e while the boot option you want to edit is highlighted. After adding the nomodeset parameter, press F10 to continue booting with the modification.

P.S. Whether your installed system will work with your video driver after being updated is another question. If not, you might be able to continue using the same workaround for the installed system, but the video quality will be poor.

  1. The line that typically ends with words like rhgb and quiet ↩︎

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Thank you for such a quick reply,

I’m in GRUB and I have moved down to where it says /linux quiet rhgb and have put nomodeset after with a space like the others.

I pressed f10 and black screen.

Did I do this right?

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I would recommend either using a newer respin ISO or the Everything installer, which, however, requires a working network connection during installation.

Once installed, both systems are significantly more up-to-date than the original installation media from late October.

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That sounds right. If it still didn’t work, then I guess give Mark’s recommendation a try.

Good luck. :slightly_smiling_face:

P.S. If it still doesn’t work, some quick internet searches suggest that amdgpu.dc=0, instead of nomodeset might work for your video card. Also, if you can update your PC’s BIOS firmware, that has a chance of fixing the problem as well.

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Mark, I’m going to try downloading KDE. I’ll get back after.

Thank you Greg, and to all, I find it hard to believe that my laptop with the same Ryzen 5 on HP also can do this fine but on the desktop we have a problem, has HP/Microsoft put something in the BIOS to stop using linux? Just trying to think of something that makes sense.

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Other flavors won’t boot either, I tried a copy of Fedora 36 also, and Ubuntu 24, all do the same thing yet I can use the same media on my ryzen 5 laptop and create a system on a portable ssd just fine but nothing will connect and boot on my brand new desktop, where is the block?

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The “block” you mention is more than likely the baked in 740M graphics section of your CPU and the version of mesa/drivers/kernel included on the live CD.

It’s been a while since I last fired up a live CD - isn’t there an option to start in basic graphics mode or something of a similar fashion?

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have you tried booting with

also remove rhgb

All those LIVE images boot the same kernel version…

How is the display connected DisplayPort or HDMI?

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There was an option for basic graphics but that does not work either.

The 740M works fine on my laptop, again I have an HP Probook with ryzen 5 and radeon intagrated graphics that works great and is fast, with no issues, though I don’t play games, I’m in my 50’s, but for work is very good, no issues.

This HP omnidesk desktop with ryzen 5 and radeon won’t accept anything to include connecting a working copy of Fedora 43 from my laptop, both are on UEFI, one works the other doesn’t, very strange that it has come down to taking it into a computer guy and having him diagnose why it won’t accept anything other than the preinstalled windows.

I’m glad for the help, I’m starting to think this is something new to the group, I’ve spent countless hours reading and trying new things, all with the same result. Very frustrating, I have a new paper weight now, once I switched to Fedora I can’t go back to the very frustrating world of windows.

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Mark, (sorry) if I understand right, I should remove rhgb and of course nomodeset and in the place of rhgb put amdgpu.dc=0, or where the nomodeset was put the amggpu.dc=0

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you put the new kernel argument in the same line as rhgb, the order does not matter.

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I just deleted rhgb and put in its place amdgpu.dc=0, no change, still black screened, even turned it off and tried again.

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Just so you know what you’re doing…

removing rhgb gets rid of the fedora splash screen. This is a “nice to have” display rendered by the graphics card to hide the uncouth litany of journal messages as the OS starts, and frightens the daylights of some people. Getting rid of it allows us to leave the graphics chip quiet for longer.

nomodeset tells the kernel to not ask the graphics chip to change the display mode - leave it in a low res, default setting. Again, lets us ignore the graphics chipset for longer.

the amdgpu.dc=0 parameter is a flag to the graphics chips set, telling it to “be quiet and shut up”. Again, asking the display chipset to stay out of it until required.

Somewhat staggered that after all of that you still end up with no display from a live USB boot…

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go into bios settings and maybe reset to setup defaults. See also if there is an option to allow booting of non windows systems - something like enable MS UEFI CA key

Also make sure you have the latest BIOS version installed.

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Steve, thank you for explaining that, I guessed the amdgpu, but it doesn’t scare me, what does is having an expensive paperweight. I even pulled out my old 2011 HP Elitebook and though it ran Fedora a bit slow, not terrible, it booted just fine also. Yeah I’m scratching my head at this too, I can pull a lower unit off an outboard boat motor and rebuild it to factory specs, engines, I have an engine apart right now for a Volvo, but this little electric box is getting the best of me right now :wink:

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Mark I have the latest BIOS version, and I do remember that the MS key is enabled, the BIOS is fresh except for the secure boot being disabled by me a few hours ago. This computer was just pulled out of the box 3 days ago. give me a moment and I will check the box on reset to default.

On the MS key are you suggesting I disable it or let it be enabled?

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OK, I just did the reset to default and now my boot order is changed again but f9 still allows a choice, the secure boot is back to enabled and the ms uefi ca key is verified enabled, just looked it up and it is supposed to allow linux to boot?
Strange. still doesn’t boot.

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CA KEY: you were able to boot into grub2 so that can’t be it. is Fast Startup disabled?
Have you checked https://linux-hardware.org for existing hw probes of similar models?

Maybe try disabling some of the advanced BIOS protection stuff that HP usually enable.

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Here is the printable output of the one failure it has, the graphics card. Thank you for that page. This is I think the block, how do I configute this?

img width=300]{YOUR COMPUTER IMAGE URL}[/img]

Host: Hewlett-Packard 8D32 SMVB 2025 - desktop with Fedora 43 (exported from Linux-Hardware.org)

PROBE ID

{TELL THE STORY ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER HERE}

Devices on the board are the following:

[table][tr][td]DEVICE[/td]
[td]STATUS[/td]
[td]COMMENT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]BUS: PCI
ID: 1002:15c8:103c:8d32
CLASS: 03-00-00
VENDOR: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
DEVICE: Phoenix2
TYPE: graphics card
DRIVER: -
[/td]
[td]
Failed
[/td]
[td]
Driver is not found or not configured.

The device is supported by kernel versions 5.16 and newer.

You are probably need to configure system for the device to work properly (modify kernel boot parameters, connect card to a monitor, etc.).
[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]BUS: PCI
ID: 1002:1640:103c:8d32
CLASS: 04-03-00
VENDOR: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]