i used to use debian 12. debian 12 cannot detect the WIFI6 NIC on my new laptop, then i transferred to debian 13 testing. now i’m using debian 13 , and i hope to have a rpm alternative (like rhel not opensuse).
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I don’t think those “most serious software” would have issues with Fedora.
It’s mostly the other way around: major distributions test themselves to be backwards-compatible with those most popular services. And nowadays that doesn’t really matter as you can use containers for those.
There’s no need for all the major distributions to follow the same release cycle model.
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Debian seems to be doing a pretty good job of being Debian already.
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we don’t have new computer every half year . our hardware don’t upgrade so frequently why need OS upgrade so frequently? 12 to 24 month release cycle is just enough and elegant.
new hardware can be addressed by installing new driver , not need to upgrade the OS as a whole.
That’s more about installing the whole kernel, or compiling a new one. Installing modules not included in the kernel tree usually taints it, degrading the firmware security level which is not acceptable in some scenarios, etc.
However, still, you’re talking about your personal opinions and feelings and oversimplifying those of others. Let’s not tag some stuff as elegant when comparing it to other alternatives, and let’s agree to disagree instead.
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when fedora 42 released , its kernel was 6.14, now its kernel is 6.17.5 , kernel upgrades every 2 weeks. upgrading kernel is different from upgrading the OS as a whole, e.g. from fedora 42 to 43.
Debian frozen base means the packages only get security updates, most software bugs go unfixed for years.
That isn’t really true, most support ubuntu which means it might be installable on debian.
A lot of software is available as flatpak.
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FTR I don’t really want to support older fedora releases eg: f41 and f42, and have zero interest in supporting LTS.
I never test any of my updates for old releases (bodhi and users can do the testing) due to only running the latest fedora, I will ditch f43 once the f44 branching is complete.
You can get xfce ISO right there.
Fedora LTS doesn’t make sense, because it already exists. It’s just not called Fedora.
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centos stream 9 has xfce edition, centos stream 10 doesn’t.
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So you can use 9, then.
Fedora releasing as frequently as it does is a large factor of why the people that use it, use it. We’re looking for the very latest in software updates, not being stuck on the same version of an app for however many months or years that a Debian release can have it stick on. I’d go crazy if I had to use Debian stable as my main OS. Fedora strikes a very good balance between updates and stability, not generally running into some of the “make sure you read the distro’s news to catch any breaking changes in your latest system update” that Arch can apparently encounter.
I’d say Fedora releases exactly as often as it should.
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You already got your answer about this software issue and stability in your thread on linux.org. As gvisoc mentioned:
- Not all users care about slow-releasing enterprise software.
- There’s value in using software released within the last year or so, which isn’t easily accessible on slower release models.
- Use containers.
Yes, not everyone upgrades their hardware frequently. However, new hardware is released all the time, and there are always some users who buy the latest hardware even if they upgrade only every few years. New hardware often works properly on newer kernels/distributions. For example, the latest Framework Laptop 13 (AMD Ryzen™ AI 300 Series) recommends using Linux kernel 6.15+, and Ubuntu is not supported on it. The goal of frequent releases isn’t to match users’ hardware upgrade cycles, but to keep up with upstream changes and new hardware support.
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I don’t want to be rude, but how much longer do you want to go on in this thread? By now you should know that the people who use Fedora love Fedora, which is because of the software it contains (nice new software), because of the release cycle it has, because of the great forum and I’m sure there are more reasons to be found.
You are apparently different, you don’t like this release cycle, it’s you right to do so, you don’t have to like it. But that would mean you have to search for something else than Fedora because you can not change Fedora.
I read you want a distro with the XFCE desktop environment and a distro with the slow release cycle Debian has, might I suggest you look into SolydXK, a small Dutch distro with either the XFCE or the KDE desktop, based on Debian. Their community is mostly XFCE oriented, exactly what you want.
They use Debian repositories but also have their own so plenty of software available.
Before you, or somebody else, will ask: No, it is not mine, and I don’t even profit from it. I have used it in he past for several years when I was forced to leave Linux Mint after they cancelled the KDE version and did not want to use Gnome, Cinnamon nor Mate. But for me after a while it became boring, there was nothing to do: it just worked.
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after one year after debian stable released, and if do find debian stable somewhat outdated and not able to detect some new hardware , there is the option to use debian testing which is still stable enough and will be frozen in one year to become next stable . this is the benefit of having stable and testing release.