Thank you. I was under a mistaken impression then that Discover may just be a UI for dnf. I guess, I’ll try to use dnf then, see what happens.
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Funny you should say that. I got the feeling that there is quite a number of AMD GPU owners too among the crowd complaining on Reddit. So, it may not entirely be an “NVIDIA problem”. Seems like many people just got into habit of blaming all Linux issues on NVIDIA. I’m gonna try Fedora on my main PC in a few weeks, with an RTX4080 and a GSYNC monitor. That will be the deciding test: Wayland or X11? Linux or Windows?
You may be right and I may change my mind in the future, but then there won’t be much left for me on the Linux side. At least Fedora does not require a Fedora account to get security updates the way Ubuntu does. Having a corporate support can be a good thing. It all depends how the corporation “behaves”.
As noted there are projects, like KDE, that have a plan.
Personally I find KDE plasma very usable.
My point is open-source is not motivated by profit, its motivated by curiosity.
So you cannot force people to work on things they are not interested in.
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I hope KDE stays this way because yes, it’s very usable, easily the best DE in my opinion. Though the issue remains of some non KDE software. I’m still on a hunt for a decent music player with good support for smart playlist that isn’t barebones, half-baked or just broken. Sadly, Elisa is a a weird exception from the typical extreme customisability of KDE software. Fooyin shows promise, but it’s new and there seems to be a delay in development.
Did you try Amarok (Amarok - KDE Applications)? It’s from KDE and wikipedia says it has smart playlist support. I didn’t try it myself though
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Ha! Nice timing. I’m reading the Wikipedia article on KDE right now and it mentions Amarok, and I just got the forum notification email 
No, I missed Amarok, I’m pretty sure I heard the name but for some reason it never came up high in my webs searches and I didn’t realize it was KDE’s software. I saw Elisa being the default player in Plasma and I just assumed Elisa was their flagship music player. Thank you! Gonna check it out!
I’m not a fan of Elisa and actually uninstalled it. I was looking for something simpler and something that would play files with just a click and open and from network devices. Currently I’ve got Tauon and Quod Libet installed. They seem to work for me.
As for your UI problems, it could be as simple as your hardware. I know you’ve said thats what you got, sometimes it’s not enough. As others have pointed out Linux is a project, not a commercial venture. So you’re at the mercy of contributors who give their time freely. That’s just the way it is. And I get the frustration - there is a lot of fragmentation which is a blessing and a curse at the same time.
Have you tried some other distributions yet (other than Nobara)? I also had some issues with Nobara. Some of other distro’s can be hit and miss also. But sometimes it’s just finding a distro that fits better with your hardware. I don’t want to send you away from Fedora, because I think it’s one of the better KDE adaptions. Personally I do find Fedora works much better on my integrated graphics PC/Laptops than the one that has NVidia installed. As I said, sometimes the hardware just isn’t a match.
And BTW on your original question - update how you want. Whether that be through Discover or DNF. They’re both pretty stable. The only time I’ve had issues is sometimes an app I’ve installed blocks the update because of it’s dependencies in Discover. In those cases I then try DNF. If it’s still playing up, I just uninstall the app and re-install after the updates. It’s a pain, but again - part of the fun of switching to Linux.
The commercial success of free and open source and in particular linux is astounding. There are many examples of commercial entities that have embraced free and open source and become part of the “us” where community involvement and contribution is normal in their course of business. Linux has become indispensible in everyday life for much of the planet. Keeping the “hobby project” nentality in such a large body of human endevour has exploded the pace of innovation and improvement in how computers are leveraged for good. Were NVIDIA ever to join in with every fiber of their being the benefits would be substantial.
Do you mean these?
There are Fedora install instructions half way down.
It would be more correct to say that of Steam users between July and December 2024, 75.43% of Steam users had NVIDIA GPUs. Steam Hardware & Software Survey
Maybe someone can find evidence for overall desktop GPU statistics?
Oh yes. I’ve been at it most of last year. I tried pretty much all DEs, matched with most major distros. Mint with Cinnamon was my favorite for a while but I wanted more customization options and more control over my desktop and only Plasma fits my needs.
I dislike the minimalism and mobile UI of Gnome and its derivatives or anything that reminds me too much of macOS. I like to customize and tweak things but I don’t want to reinvent the wheel at the basic level: desktop+taskbar+start menu worked for me for decades. I also wanted something that looks somewhat polished and modern. So Cinnamon and Plasma are the only DEs that suit me, but in the end I prefer Plasma. I’ve already been using KDE software and getting KDE apps to work in Cinnamon was PITA at times, they didn’t look right. I can get Plasma to work and look the way I want without any third party widgets, addons or extensions besides icons set.
So then I needed a good base for Plasma and that’s how I got to Fedora. I don’t have the skills and the patience to deal with Arch. I still think I made the right choice. Though I feel Mint Cinnamon was more stable. But Mint also had problems due to being somewhat a conservative distro.
But my desktop Linux journey was quite a frustrating experience as you can probably tell 
I’ll give this a shot. So far I simply added the non-free NVIDIA repo in KDE Discover and then installed the drivers using dnf. It installs 565.77 by deafult. I thought that anything past 560 is open source now but maybe not, so I’m gonna try the instructions and see if there is any difference.
Compare the number of systems that Steam knows about to the number PC sales in a year and you can get an estimate of the number of systems that only have an Intel or AMD integrated GPU.
For example all the laptops that are using by people that do not play games, office workers using a companyt device.
Please, please use the nvidia open source drivers packaged on rpmfusion for a simpler life. THe nvidia instructions have often lead to people having difficulties.
Edit: See this for the NVIDA open driver from RPMfusion: Howto/NVIDIA - RPM Fusion
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After applying updates you can check with sudo dnf needs-restarting if you have to reboot 
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OK, so this clarifies my last post. This is what I have been doing:
Enable non-free NVIDIA repo.
Run:
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia -y
sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda -y
And this gets me the 565.77 drivers. So I guess I’m good? I was just wondering about the “xorg-x11” part in the file name but these still seem to work with Wayland. And this is according to the instructions on Howto/NVIDIA - RPM Fusion
Thank you!
I take a simple approach and only do updates when I’m willing to do a reboot.
I do have tooling that automates this for me with the assumptions that all my systems with reboot.
Yes you are good. BUt if you want to switch to the nvidia open driver then you need to do what it says in the “Kernel Open” section of the docs. Quoting the docs:
You can also swith to the akmod-nvidia-open package that relies on the full source code of the kernel space driver (it takes longer to build). This package is located in the rpmfusion-nonfree-tainted repository so it doesn’t get selected by misstake from unaware users.
sudo dnf install rpmfusion-nonfree-release-tainted
sudo dnf swap akmod-nvidia akmod-nvidia-open
So just installing 565 doesn’t mean it’s an open source driver? Uff… this is confusing. Thanks!
Edit.: So much for that:
Edit.: I’m just gonna stay on 565 for now and worry about this later. As games seem to run well, I don’t think this will help much with the UI glitches.
sudo dnf install rpmfusion-nonfree-release-tainted
Updating and loading repositories:
Repositories loaded.
Failed to resolve the transaction:
No match for argument: rpmfusion-nonfree-release-tainted
You can try to add to command line:
--skip-unavailable to skip unavailable packages
dnf list rpmfusion*tainted
Updating and loading repositories:
Repositories loaded.
Available packages
rpmfusion-free-release-tainted.noarch 41-1 rpmfusion-free
rpmfusion-nonfree-release-tainted.noarch 41-1 rpmfusion-nonfree
You probably only have the rpmfusion-nonfree-nvidia-driver repo installed, but not the other free and nonfree ones. You’ll have to install those repos following this Howto.
Afterwards you should be able to run the other commands.
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Yup, I saw that but I tried the " Graphical Setup via Firefox web browser" by downloading the rpm file and that didn’t do anything but running the command worked, I see the new repository added. Then this worked:
sudo dnf swap akmod-nvidia akmod-nvidia-open
Now, let’s see if anything is different Thank you!
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