#22

I’d wholeheartedly agree with @roc1nante270, Silverblue is a very stable
choice. Good luck @mohsen77, and welcome to the community.

After not receiving emails from Discourse for a while, I got an email
notifying me that somebody had removed one of my earlier contributions to this
thread. I am now re-posting this, so that those other than the would-be censor
can see it.

Post follows:

Interesting that you’re so out of step with the chief developers of your
preferred distribution. They’re the ones taking it in this direction, you
know? And yes, Workstation too.

You’re talking about the GNOME devs. They aren’t the entirety of Fedora. This
stuff isn’t getting shoved into KDE Spin, for example.

Personally, I think flatpak, despite its bugs and workarounds needed, is the
best thing to happen to Linux gui apps in a decade. The fact bad tech like
appimage exists at all is because universal distro-agnostic packaging is
necessary for application developers, and keeping applications updated in
the distro standard point release model is almost impossible, making copr
and ppas necessary, with instability and dependency hell as result.

Oh boy. Yes, outdated software built for system libraries other than your own,
which are hard to update properly and require separate updates from your
system itself. Application developers don’t need to package their software for
every distro, and to use the SAME BINARIES on every distro is a horrible idea.
The entire point of a distro is to have versions of software that are
compatible and work well together. If you want the latest and greatest, go
with something rolling release, or always run Rawhide.

#23

@JohnMH,
I removed your post and used the automated message asking you to fix it. The point being this. In this community you consistently hijack threads to further expound upon your apparent dislike of Silverblue. You are entitled to your opinion, however you are not entitled to just seek and exploit every opportunity to steer threads along that negative path you have chosen WRT anything Silverblue. Remember the four foundation cores of Fedora, Friends being one, let’s try to at least get along, and if you can’t make a constructive on topic comment about something, even a critique, then my suggestion is to contemplate the comment a bit further before you type.

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#24

There is nothing to “fix” in that email, and I don’t see how it has anything
to do with Silverblue. It calls out a few of the issues with flatpak use, and
not a whole lot more.

#25

Hello @JohnMH,
I received no less than four flagged comments of yours on this one topic, apparently the community feels differently than you regarding your comments on this thread. It is a pretty easy question from the user … Is Silverblue a suitable OS to suggest to a Linux newbie? In your case, since you felt compelled to answer, which I think you should have the ability to do, I would think that once you state your position and make your point for said POV, that would be that. Also, just trashing a particular technology (ie. flatpaks) is not adding to the conversation without some actual facts/data. So, this is a community effort, even the moderators role. I am always reluctant to step in on any member, but as a moderator I cannot ignore member comments getting flagged by someone else in the community as being off -topic or for whatever other valid reason.
So, you obviously have a good amount of Fedora knowledge, and I know from your comments past you seem to be an avid FOSS promoter. Both of these qualities are good qualities in the community, what I am asking of you is to try to embrace another couple of the four core foundations of Fedora, Freedom and First. Freedom of any member to use Fedora as they see fit. First, because Fedora does things first, like an Ostree based workstation.
On a related topic, but for your future consideration, why not post a topic about what your ideal Fedora setup is and why, I think it would be popular.

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#26

I would definitely be interested in this. Especially in the case of “new user friendly”.

#27

The issues I listed with Flatpak are, in fact, serious issues. Security
updates are fairly important. That doesn’t stop at the app itself, but the
libraries it uses. This is one of the reasons we don’t have static libraries
for most packages in Fedora, in fact. Flatpaks bring that issue right back,
among the others I provided above.

#28

Flatpaks != static libraries!

Still, like I said here earlier, this is off topic. Please post a new topic about this so we can continue this conversation there. I’ll watch for it.

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#29

If you’re going to try to promote something like Silverblue over actual
Fedora, you’re going to have to address the issues with it as well. For
example, that /home is not actually /home for some reason, that the rootfs is
read-only, that flatpaks are a major security risk, don’t integrate into the
system you’re running them on or the desktop environment you’re running them
on.

https://flatkill.org/

#30

I think your information provided in that link is outdated. The distro is also Debian as noted in most of the CVE’s. And if you feel the need to respond, PM me since this is definitely thread jacking.

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#31

It’s not thread hijacking. This thread is asking if Fedora desktop is suitable
for new Linux users. The answer is yes, if you’re talking about Fedora. No, if
you’re talking about Silverblue, or mixing flatpaks with Fedora. I’ve provided
information above as to why.

#32

Outdated and inaccurate as it is. Any CVE’s for anything related with flatpaks specifically mention Debian plus are for earlier versions of Flatpak and Bubblewrap than what is used in Fedora Silverblue.

Again, wrong. Silverblue is a perfect variant of Fedora Workstation to recommend for use by those new to either or both Linux and Fedora. Flatpaks are awesome! Your grasping at old CVE’s to try and support your outdated POV.

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#33

Lol flatkill. Not only it is ancient, the info was bs at the time of writing.