since Fedora 41 officially introduces DNF 5, users pointed out that when e.g. upgrading a group, packages added by 3rd party in that group are ignored / not upgraded or installed.
This makes the rpmfusion guide worthless as some packages are not installed. And it also made me switch back to Fedora 40 after upgrading to 41, as I was messing around with some packages and reinstalled some rpmfusion content only to realize, that I was missing things in the end.
The mentioned workaround in the reddit thread about using dnf4 instead of dnf in the command line didnāt work on my end.
Iām curious to know if there is a fix for this in sight (or is it already fixed and I just missed it?) or if this is even intentional (which brings the questions to the table how to manage things like rpmfusion from now on)? Because this is essentially what is holding me back now to jump on Fedora 41.
The biggest difference is in the name used for the group & syntax.
If you use the command dnf group list the name shown in the first column is the name required for dnf5. The name shown in the second column seems to be the name previously used for dnf4
ID Name Installed
3d-printing 3D Printing no
This is the first group shown with ādnf group listā and if I want to install it the command for dnf5 would be dnf install @3d-printing.
To install the same group using dnf4 syntax it would be dnf4 group install "3D Printing"
@computersavvy
Thanks for the info, I wasnāt aware of this. Is there maybe some kind of handy cheat sheet with the important differences between dnf4 and dnf5?
@grumpey
Ah, so this seem to be an older āproblemā than visible at first glance and with dnf5 being rolled out as default, more people come in contact with the unlucky behavior when using something like rpmfusion (which I bet many do). Thanks for the links, Iāll definitely observe this. As I understand, there is no nice solution for this at the moment.
I have been using dnf4 long enough I have lost track of the documentation.
For both you can use the command line to get most of the needed documentation using the --help option or the man pages. (the man pages are helpful, the --help option more so)
Everyone will encounter the syntax changes in the cli. It is just a matter of when and if they are used to using that command syntax with dnf4 so they recognize the change.
The switch to dnf5 has been documented as planned and upcoming for several years. If users have not been paying attention they are caught by surprise. All of us must relearn the new syntax. So far I have been quite pleased with the changes.
Yeah, I know of the documentation docs, though I hoped for a more compact kind of ādnf 4 vs dnf 5ā sheet for the top x changes or similar. But itās not that important, just asked in the case there is something like this existing.
Well, donāt get me wrong, Iām not saying the change is/was a surprise for people in general. Iām just looking through the lens of a casual user (with focus on gaming and similar) who was brave enough to switch from Windows to Linux (Fedora) and wouldnāt call themself a power user. I think, for this kind of people, this will (and actually is) end up with searching and asking on different places on the internet about āproblemsā. Letās just hope, this thing gets sorted out fast because, like it or not, rpmfusion is a kind of big part when it comes to Fedora and (casual) users with focus on gaming and multimedia. And this must work flawlessly if Redhat does plan to make Fedora the best daily desktop environment for Linux.
