Yeah, now that you mention it, you are right. That’s indeed unqualified, and implicit arguments should be avoided in general at this place. Your suggestion makes sense. However, I wanted to have KDE included because, on one hand, it is the sole spin we can verify at the moment. On the other hand, and this is the major point, I experienced several times on ask.fedora that there are users who know that they have KDE (because they see the word regularly on their desktop) but who have no idea about “Workstation” or “Spins”, or what and if they have that. This also triggers their search queries on search engines, which are likely to contain only “KDE” but nothing of the other two. So that’s the reason.
I think glb’s first approach is ok:
Workstation (GNOME) and Spins (KDE and other desktop environments) for your PC ,
although I would prefer to have “laptops and desktops” contained. I’m not sure if “PC” in English contains “laptops” (?). In German, “PC” commonly even excludes them.
Another alternative would be a compromise towards going above 80 characters:
Workstation (GNOME) and Spins (KDE & other desktop environments) for desktops & laptops ,
that would be 87 characters.
Anyway, the versions proposed so far seem to be good compromises. So I’m fine with all of them.
Hmmm… tbh it looks to me comparable to the old install guide. I just skimmed it, but at least partly it refers to Fedora 21, and some content assumes that any Fedora needs an active root account. Other parts introduce redundancy with two other Docs guides, and with the major Fedora page. And in general much I read does no longer apply. In some cases, I fear that it can actually make the users’ problem solving more difficult through confusion and misinformation.
We should tailor to the feedback of the survey and the biases about the Docs. If we cannot offer maintained content that adds value, we should not trick users to open our pages. The outcome would facilitate that users again start to avoid hits/clicks on our pages, which also devalues maintained content.
Also, generic/general information that cannot be used to solve problems, or to tailor technologies/packages to the user’s needs, seem to belong to the major Fedora page, not to technical Docs. I agree that we had to partly take over this role in the past because getfedora was download-focused. But now that a “full scale Fedora page” is to come, the draft seems to already take over the role for providing generic & general information about Fedora. We have to be careful to avoid competing with them on search engine hits (SEO), this would harm both pages.
However, I understand your goal to have something on this page beyond a pathetic index, and I absolutely agree with that! I have not yet offered a suitable alternative and therefore, it makes sense to grasp at any straw, including old content.
Yet, in the open Workstation & Spins merge request !2, I am working on an adjusted approach that already incorporates the fact that I cannot maintain more pages (which of course would end up in a pretty pathetic guide). The approach still assumes that Workstation & Spins remain an independent guide with its own box on the Fedora Docs main page (yet, depending on what the Silverblue/Kinoite team decides, I remain open to the possibility of getting rid of a dedicated “Workstation & Spins” box).
I will open a new topic about this to explain the adjusted approach. I hope I can make it by tomorrow or Tuesday so that feedback can be given at the meeting. Stay tuned!