As some of you maybe already know, the Moderation team of Discourse has worked on new “Fedora Discussion Forum (Self-)Moderation Guidelines and Rules” and is currently conducting a final poll, in which the new Guidelines can be already expected to pass.
However, the question in a second poll, which is not yet decided, is if the new Guidelines will be published in the Docs or on Discourse. This is to be answered in early March.
As the full name already indicates, the new guidelines intend to replace both the User SOP and the Mod SOP, which both have been obsoleted for years (still tailored to the old ask.fedora) and are likely not even known to most users here.
Depending on the outcome of the two polls, it might become necessary to create a new page for the guidelines, which then needs to be added to the index.
I will do the job when the time comes and everything is decided, but wanted to already open a topic about it, to keep you informed early, and enable you to raise issues if there are some (just in case).
Otherwise, I would follow up here on the days after 8th March (the poll deadline).
Alright, so the current SOPs have been removed from the Mindshare page as well from the sitewide config, so they’ll no longer be published.
Once the polls conclude. if you decide to publish the new SOPs in docs again, we’ll need to migrate the repo to Forgejo first if you want to reuse it, and if you decide to do it in Discourse, I’ll need to completely remove the link from the Mindshare page (it’s only commented out for now).
Thanks for the support! That saves me quite some time I’ll keep you updated here.
I think it is easiest and most comprehensible to start with a new repo at forge (especially as this will be a completely different approach, and no longer split between user and mod SOP). But we’ll see, that is not yet decided
Do you have a preference where to put the new repo? I assume you prefer we host it outside of …/docs ?
We have currently no group in forge. We have an FAS group, so I can request a forge group, but not sure if that is the preferred way?
I might ask internally first if people prefer to have a joint forge group for this or if I shall host the repo the way the old one was hosted. But feel free to let us know if you have a preference or so
@pbokoc@pboy The decision has been made, and the majority wants to place our Fedora Discussion Forum (Self-)Moderation Guidelines and Rules to the Docs.
I have already asked for a Forge group for the Discourse Moderation Team.
Could you let me know if you still have somewhere a template repo for Docs repos? Would be good for me to use to setup our Docs repo
Yes, but a short confirmation from a Docs member would be good to ensure this repo is still intended to be used after the forge migration, to avoid wasting time, as preparing the template will take some time. As you say, this template is clearly intended for gitlab, even if it is already at forge. I don’t know what (necessary / complementary / overlapping) changes / transformations go along in Docs with the migration to forge. I remember at the GitLab transition, we combined it with some other changes because there are often some synergies when combining some types of changes
Feel free to add it as planned within Mindshare, at the place the old “Ask Fedora SOPs” have been (so a second update following your earlier commit 71cfe44471), but with the new name “Fedora Discussion Forum (Self-)Moderation Guidelines and Rules”, no longer “Ask Fedora SOPs”.
Another review might be nice, as I haven’t setup a Docs repo for some years.
The repo is not yet perfect, and we might do some further improvement to improve the readers’ experience, but at least it is something that can be published, so that we have rules again that we can link to users
The URL, the discussion-Forum-self-moderation bit, seems kinda awkward to me. If you want to change it, you need to do it in antora.yml and site.yml - and also please ping me if you do that because I’ll need to change the link in the Mindshare section.
These guidelines are actually more for users than for mods, but the difference is actually intentionally blurred: most moderation activities are done by users who ain’t actual moderators, but higher trust levels. We want that people moderate themselves so to speak, and with increasing trust level help each other in doing so, and actual moderators act only as “last resort”. We want our new rules to more reflect and foster that, so we have one guide for both users, all trust level and mods, also that everybody understands each other and each others roles and how to evolve to the next stage.
Hope that makes sense
Indeed, especially if people are not yet aware of the approach that can be confusing:
I have changed it to simpl y"discussion-forum-guidelines-and-rules" → f37c70de4b & 7e405241a3 (I assume that makes sense?). You can update the mindshare link correspondingly
I’ll keep you updated here.
The gitlab bits are gone now.