I upgraded to Fedora 41 using GNOME from 40. The system rebooted and then hung on the arrow cursor. I forced the system to shutdown (Dell Vostro with i5). I then powered on and the same result. I tried the old 40 versions after forcing shutdowns and the only version that started was a recover 5.6.6-300.fc32.x86_64. Any ideas on what I can do to gethFedora 41 to start and let me login?
When booting type ESC so that you can see the boot messages.
What are the last messages displayed?
Added f41
The last message is:
gdm service - GNOME Display Manager.
In the recover version it goes from this to the login screen.
Also, if if helps the Vostro Model is 430.
Yeah don’t use the software manager in gnome for upgrades. IMO don’t use it for updates, either.
Use dnf in terminal.
I tried running dnf commands, but they “said” no updates to process.
I had a similar issue with an old Intel MacBook with Nvidia GPU, which was working with F40 and nouveau drivers, but with upgrade to F41 (or when booting an F41 live ISO), I got a blank screen with movable mouse pointer. Is this your case (see bug report here)?
I assume the issue is similar, since your last message is referring to GDM, so the issue occurs when trying to load it. You can also test flashing an F41 installation USB and booting into live session. Does the issue reproduce?
On your existing system, when reaching the blank screen, you should still be able enter the text console with Ctr+Alt+F3 or similar. From there you could run the command mentioned above. Please also post the output of inxi -Fzxx.
If it is easier, from the tty console, after logging in, you could run startx, and enter a graphical session with Xorg. From there you can then run the commands mentioned.
Also, I don’t think upgrading via GNOME Software was the issue. It is a supported upgrade and system upgrade method by Fedora.
Mike thanks for gettting back to me.
I added the following line to my /etc/environment
GSK_RENDERER=ngl
and rebooted, but it still failed (blank screen with just a cursor) after the reboot.
I tried running the inxi -Fzxxx I got a command not found in both the recovery and 41 boots.
Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
You will need to install inxi package with dnf.
Thanks Barry. I installed inxi and the output from the command was:
System:
Kernel: 6.11.7-300.fc41.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 2.43.1-2.fc41
clocksource: tsc
Console: tty 3 DM: GDM v: 47.0 Distro: Fedora Linux 41 (Workstation Edition)
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Dell product: Vostro 430 v: 00 serial: <superuser required> Chassis:
type: 3 serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Dell model: 054KM3 v: A01 serial: <superuser required> uuid: <superuser required>
BIOS: Dell v: 2.0.3 date: 03/15/2010
CPU:
Info: dual core model: Intel Core i3 530 bits: 64 type: MT MCP smt: enabled arch: Westmere
rev: 2 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 4 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1200 min/max: 1200/2933 cores: 1: 1200 2: 1200 3: 1200 4: 1200
bogomips: 23407
Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 310] vendor: Pegatron driver: nouveau v: kernel arch: Tesla
pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: VGA-1 empty: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0
chip-ID: 10de:0a66 class-ID: 0300 temp: 44.0 C
Display: unspecified server: X.org v: 1.21.1.14 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.4
compositor: gnome-shell driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau
gpu: nouveau tty: 240x67
Monitor-1: VGA-1 model: Acer S240HL serial: <filter> res: 1920x1080 dpi: 92
size: 531x299mm (20.91x11.77") diag: 609mm (24") modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
API: OpenGL Message: GL data unavailable in console. Try -G --display
API: EGL Message: EGL data unavailable in console, eglinfo missing.
Audio:
Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel
v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3b56 class-ID: 0403
Device-2: NVIDIA High Definition Audio vendor: Pegatron driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie:
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0be3 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.11.7-300.fc41.x86_64 status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.2.6 status: active (process) with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin 4: pw-jack type: plugin
Network:
Device-1: Broadcom NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe vendor: Dell driver: tg3 v: kernel
pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: N/A bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:1692 class-ID: 0200
IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
IF-ID-1: virbr0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 273.73 GiB (29.4%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD10EZEX-60ZF5A0 size: 931.51 GiB
speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 7200 serial: <filter> fw-rev: 0A80 scheme: MBR
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 68.35 GiB used: 12.73 GiB (18.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-0
mapped: fedora_localhost--live-root00
ID-2: /boot size: 973.4 MiB used: 410.7 MiB (42.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-3: /home size: 838.29 GiB used: 260.6 GiB (31.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-2
mapped: fedora_localhost--live-home00
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 7.76 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/dm-1
mapped: fedora_localhost--live-swap00
ID-2: swap-2 type: zram size: 7.61 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: 100 dev: /dev/zram0
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 44.0 C
Fan Speeds (rpm): cpu: 1657 mobo: 1185
Info:
Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.61 GiB used: 989 MiB (12.7%)
Processes: 241 Power: uptime: 2m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: deep wakeups: 0
hibernate: platform Init: systemd v: 256 target: graphical (5) default: graphical
Packages: pm: rpm pkgs: N/A note: see --rpm Compilers: gcc: 14.2.1 Shell: Bash (login)
v: 5.2.32 running-in: tty 3 inxi: 3.3.36
Looking at the inxi output, your PC has a rather old Nvidia graphics card, which is not working on F41 under Wayland.
Based on the lack of responses to my bug report linked above, it is either considered old hardware which won’t get support/attention anymore, or it is considered an upstream issue (Wayland, GDM maybe) and hence the lack of response. I would suggest posting a comment on the bug report (in case you consider it the same issue), with the details of your hardware, so that it gets attention on the fact that not only old MacBooks are having this issue.
The only workaround I can think of right now is, as mentioned above, to enter the text console, log in, and from there start an Xorg session with startx. You didn’t mention if this is working, but if it does, you have at least a graphical session… and the time to figure out what to do next.
Mike,
Thanks for getting back to me. A few interesting points:
- If I hit CTRL-ALT-F3 before the cursor appears GDM starts properly.
- If I hit CTRL-ALT-F3 after the cursor and then run startx the GUI starts.
I submitted an additonal post to your bug listing.
Thanks,
David
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In my case, I have Intel drivers, but also freeze at [ OK ] Started gdm.service -- GNOME Display Manager, but cannot get a cursor on an alternate tty. I see a blinking character, but cannot type anything.
Eventually I see Disable thermal zone with critical trip point.
I can boot from a live USB and run Gnome desktop without issues.
Output of inxi -Fzxxx
Kernel: 6.11.4-301.fc41.x86_64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 2.43.1-2.fc41 clocksource: tsc
Desktop: GNOME v: 47.0 tk: GTK v: 3.24.43 wm: gnome-shell
tools: gsd-screensaver-proxy dm: GDM v: 46.2 Distro: Fedora Linux 41
(Workstation Edition)
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20W000T7US v: ThinkPad T14 Gen 2i
serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: LENOVO model: 20W000T7US v: SDK0T76538 WIN
serial: <superuser required> part-nu: LENOVO_MT_20W0_BU_Think_FM_ThinkPad
T14 Gen 2i uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: LENOVO v: N34ET62W (1.62 )
date: 04/29/2024
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 2.1 Wh (4.1%) condition: 51.5/50.5 Wh (101.9%)
power: 41.0 W volts: 12.1 min: 11.6 model: LGC 5B10W51826 type: Li-poly
serial: <filter> status: charging cycles: 269
CPU:
Info: quad core model: 11th Gen Intel Core i7-1165G7 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
smt: enabled arch: Tiger Lake rev: 1 cache: L1: 320 KiB L2: 5 MiB L3: 12 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 400 min/max: 400/4700 cores: 1: 400 2: 400 3: 400 4: 400
5: 400 6: 400 7: 400 8: 400 bogomips: 44851
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] vendor: Lenovo
driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-12.1 ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1,
DP-2, DP-3, DP-4, HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:9a49
class-ID: 0300
Device-2: Chicony Integrated Camera driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 3-4:4 chip-ID: 04f2:b6d0 class-ID: fe01
serial: <filter>
Display: wayland server: Xwayland v: 24.1.3 compositor: gnome-shell
driver: gpu: i915 display-ID: 0
Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: BOE Display 0x0982 res: 3840x2160 dpi: 316
size: 309x174mm (12.17x6.85") diag: 355mm (14") modes: 3840x2160
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.2.4 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2
direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel Xe Graphics (TGL GT2)
device-ID: 8086:9a49 display-ID: :0.0
API: EGL Message: EGL data requires eglinfo. Check --recommends.
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Tiger Lake-LP Smart Sound Audio vendor: Lenovo
driver: sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a0c8
class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.11.4-301.fc41.x86_64 status: kernel-api
Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off
Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.2.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
Network:
Device-1: Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel bus-ID: 00:14.3
chip-ID: 8086:a0f0 class-ID: 0280
IF: wlp0s20f3 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Device-1: Intel AX201 Bluetooth driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB rev: 2.0
speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 3-10:5 chip-ID: 8087:0026 class-ID: e001
Report: btmgmt ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 5.2
lmp-v: 11 class-ID: 7c010c
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 506.24 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: SK Hynix model: HFS512GDE9X081N
size: 476.94 GiB speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 41730C20 temp: 38.9 C scheme: GPT
ID-2: /dev/sda model: N/A size: 29.3 GiB type: USB rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s
lanes: 1 tech: N/A serial: <filter> fw-rev: 2.00 scheme: GPT
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 9.35 GiB used: 256 MiB (2.7%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: zram size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: 100
dev: /dev/zram0
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 38.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (rpm): fan-1: 0
Info:
Memory: total: 48 GiB note: est. available: 46.76 GiB used: 2.38 GiB (5.1%)
Processes: 320 Power: uptime: 2m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: s2idle
wakeups: 0 hibernate: platform Init: systemd v: 256 target: graphical (5)
default: graphical
Packages: pm: rpm pkgs: N/A note: see --rpm Compilers: N/A Shell: Bash
v: 5.2.32 running-in: ptyxis-agent inxi: 3.3.36```Edward,
The trick that was shared with me was, once you get the “blinking” cursor type Ctrl-Alt-F3. You will then be presented with a terminal that you login with your Linux ID. Once this is completed, type startx and you should be good to go.
Thanks,
David
Thanks David, the issue is that while I see what resembles a blinking cursor, the terminal will not accept input. Despite not obviously accepting input, I’ve tried entering startx , no dice. Eventually, ~3 minutes later, I get the thermal zone critical trip point message.
Do you hit Ctrl-Alt-F3 after you get the blinking cursor? For me when I hit this I get a terminal.