A lot of things.. noob questions mostly .. First time linux ~ // Black screen on reboot

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Aha.. Well before we move any further, I’d like you to tell me how a package size goes from 4.5gb to 3.8gb if there is no install involved.

At the moment after numerous OS installs, program installs and codec installs, I have it sitting at 4.5gb still.

What happened when I had it go to 3.8gb, without me ever physically touching the update button.

Explain this and we take it from there. Step by step, since I’m a noob and can’t follow. Your stance is that what I see there is simply - a download being made - but no install , yes?

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It’s black magic. Very dangerous stuff there.

I’d destroy the computer with fire, then spend the next six years trekking in the Himalayas to purify yourself so you don’t poison another computer.

Only then will your missing .7GB reappear and allow you to update your system.

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Yeah.. fairly certain that’s your explanation.

The answer is though that somehow, whether through auto-updates of core functions, or through manual updates through the packages I installed on the side - meaning apps and what not -, a part of the system update was installed too.
That’s the answer.

Funny thing is I can’t replicate it anymore, while doing the exact same operations as before.

Did you know that app installs affects the number of packages in SYSTEM updates?

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So if you can add, you can also subtract. Must be the Himalays though..

Cuz that’s definitely the state of how .. some, people, view the unexplained. If you don’t know about it, just call the other stupid.

Apparently, on linux, system updates includes codecs and even fonts - if one would remember I said, I got a font error when trying to install Brave, when I took off repositories.
I said I come from Windows, and there’s no.. as far as I remember, system updates which are categorized together with codecs updates, fonts etc.

But obviously neither did anyone here, know, that that is the case, otherwise we wouldn’t have 22 pages about me being a noob, when that simple fact could be pointed out first message. But you didn’t know.
Must be a script kiddies forum, where everyone has lines of code saved in text files with /// descriptions just so you can pretend you code. Is that Linux appeal? My bad. I DIDN’T KNOW THE COMMUNITY!

But yeah, the himalays. Take it away chat

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Switching to Linux is hardly a “last desperate resort”. It is a choice made by millions of people around the world. Because we understand that it is a viable alternative. I think the issue here is the fact that OP keeps going on about the same thing and is not really listening to what others are saying as they attempt to help. Nobody is getting paid here and we just try to help out when we can.

Look, I don’t think the Himalayas comment was helpful but I get where it came from. If you want to solve a problem then the first thing to do is to figure out what is causing it. And I don’t think that what OP thinks is causing the problem may in fact be the core issue.

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Linux at times can be a bit overwhelming. It is not the same as Windoze. So if you are new to it there is going to be a learning curve. Right now your best bet is to Google and see if someone has previously had similar issues. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn’t. Also it never hurts to run some suggested commands in order to figure out what is really going on. After all, you are really just trying to get information that can solve your problem. I don’t have the answer for you, but with enough information maybe someone else can get to the bottom of it. But guessing at what is really the core problem is not going to work.

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I have definitely had more issues with 43 than I have ever had before. I have been working through them one by one and getting there. Still I get an error message (AVC Denial) when downloading a PDF file. No idea why and I have not found any answer to it yet. But at least that is just a message and does not affect the usability of the system. I do have the advantage of having someone living with me who is pretty much a computer genius. So if something goes wrong I can hand things over to him so that he can drill down and find a solution. The only thing that he hasn’t figured out is the PDF issue and in fact I do have a bug report in on that. So far there has been no solution to that.

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On a fresh install automatic updates were not enabled.
You can check this in KDE settings → Software Update →
Updates were set to manual, Notifications were set to daily, apply updates after rebooting.

The update is looking at all the packages that were installed and querying the enabled repositories for updates. The number /size of upgrades will change based on what’s been pushed to the repositories (updates) since the iso was built. This can also change if things you have installed pull in updated packages for things that are already installed on your system.

Discover and Gnome Software also do firmware updates if the vendor provides them.

As an example, I installed Fedora KDE in a VM today.
Initially Discover indicated 754 packages

I installed the rpmfusion repositories via dnf and swapped ffmpeg-free for ffmpeg.
After that Discover showed 745 Packages / 4.5 GiB
I then installed libreoffice with dnf
After that Discover showed 725 packages / 4.1 GiB

I would suggest, reinstalling and performing the updates via discover m or doing the update sudo dnf upgrade --refresh after the installation before performing any modifications to the system.

You can remove discover by doing sudo dnf remove plasma-discover but you will be limited to installing via the command line. (dnf/flatpak)

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Well, it was you installing things, and it’s simply logic:

  • you try to install package A, that is in the repositories in its latest version.
  • That package depends on package B, that is also in its latest version in the repositories, but you have a previous version installed because it’s part of the core distro.
  • Because it was already installed and there is a newer version on the repositories, that package sum space in the update size.
  • When you install the package A, package B got updated, decreasing the size of updates, because it’s already installed

That keep my answer as correct: Your system is not being automatically updated

Basically you updated some packages by installing other packages that needs some other packages updates.

My recommendation it’s still update the whole system or use the respin

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@daritch Since your last post, which I had to delete, insulted more or less everyone in this topic in many details, I spare the time to go into detail about any of the insults and only refer to read the Code of Conduct before further engaging in this forums. One more such post, and you & your IP will be suspended for 14 days.

I also close this as it seems to not develop in any constructive direction… Feel free to start from scratch, and compliant to the CoC

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