Greetings testers! It’s meeting time again. Note clocks went back recently in places that observe daylight savings, so the meeting time is now 16:00 UTC. If you observe daylight savings, the meeting should be at the same time as usual. If you do not, it will be one hour later than it was over summer.
Here is an AI-generated summary of a Fedora Quality meeting from 2025-11-24.
Please be aware that the summary is intended for a quick convenient recapitulation of the meeting, but might contain factual errors. Read the full meeting log for all the details.
Roll Call
The meeting began with a Roll Call and saw high attendance. Adam Williamson welcomed two new Red Hat-employed QE members: Jaroslav Groman and Petr Sklenar. Jaroslav Groman was noted in the logs initially as “None” and was advised to update his FAS profile. Adam warned Jaroslav and Petr about the “.fire XXX” chat gag (where a bot would post “adamw fires XXX”), clarifying that it is definitely just a gag and not to be taken seriously.
Previous meeting follow-up
Kamil Páral confirmed that the action item from the previous meeting—to update the discussion summary on issue https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/841—had been completed.
Petr Sklenar provided an update on the upcoming Test Day for the FreeIPA “modern webUI”, which is tracked at Making sure you're not a bot! . Developers have provided the setup, and test cases are expected to be prepared by the end of the current week.
Broken Mesa update situation
Adam Williamson introduced an emergency topic to discuss a recent issue with a broken Mesa update. He provided a summary of what happened:
Dave Airlie (Mesa maintainer, RH employee) submitted a Mesa update for F43 which included a backport of an unapproved upstream PR and disabled autopush. He did not tag a specific bug.
RPMFusion created a matching update to their mesa 'freeworld' packages.
The Fedora update received significant negative feedback, primarily from users reporting “games don’t work in Steam on my NVIDIA card any more”.
The RPMFusion update went stable.
Leigh Scott (leigh123linux, a Proven Packager) manually pushed the Fedora update stable, despite the negative feedback.
Brandon Nielsen felt the situation was an “unfortunate string of human mistakes” and questioned the backporting of an unmerged fix. Adam noted that while backporting can be legitimate, he expected more explanation, as he couldn’t find what the backport was intended to fix.
Kamil Páral noted that Leigh prioritized RPMFusion dependencies over the reported Mesa issues, which he didn’t feel was a good call, as mesa-freeworld is used by fewer users than vanilla Mesa.
The team agreed that trying to mimic formal corporate incident review procedures does not generally work for a community distro.
The decided plan of action is for Adam Williamson to file an issue to draft a message of concern to the Mesa maintainers (Dave Airlie and Leigh Scott). The goal is to ask them what can be done to avoid similar situations in the future.
Kamil suggested that running games in openQA to test Mesa could be an idea, though Adam noted a basic Super Tux Racer test already exists for composes. Lukáš Růžička suggested Games Test Days as an alternative.
Fedora 44 status
Fedora 44 is reportedly not experiencing major issues (“not on fire”).
The test is designed to trigger an offline update, but sometimes it unexpectedly runs an online update.
Lukáš Růžička confirmed that he has been restarting the test often. Neal Gompa confirmed he cannot reproduce the issue on VMs or hardware.
The fact that the issue rarely fails on aarch64 implies a timing element is involved.
Adam will try to experiment with adding sleeps or reboots to the test to mitigate the failure rate.
Forgejo migration plans
The plan to migrate various Pagure repositories to Forgejo is in progress, tracked in Making sure you're not a bot! .
Testing migrations to a staging Forgejo instance has started.
Adam proposed doing at least one production migration (likely a small repository with no CI, such as qa-docs) in the next RH sprint.
There is currently no shutdown date for Pagure, so the team has discretion over the timing of production migrations.
A key topic is how to handle the migration of Story Points from Pagure, which do not exist in Forgejo. The team will need to use labels as a substitute, requiring synchronization of label names across the project. This conversion will likely require a custom script or manual work.
Test Day / community event status
The FreeIPA “modern webUI” Test Day is confirmed for December 2nd-3rd, with the Test Day page expected up soon.
An SSSD Test Day has also been proposed ( Making sure you're not a bot! ). Jaroslav Groman will try to handle it with assistance from the rest of the team.
Roll Call
Previous meeting follow-up
Broken Mesa update situation
Fedora 44 status
Forgejo migration plans
Test Day / community event status
Open floor